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    Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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      @aaronstuder said in Dedicated KVM Slice Servers from BuyVM:

      @scottalanmiller said in Dedicated KVM Slice Servers from BuyVM:

      So they are selling Windows at a loss? Very fishy. What country are they based in? Might be illegal to use in the US.

      Can't they be using Windows Server Datacenter Edition?

      Nope. No hosting can do that.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Windows licensing is "per company" - it can't be shared between businesses. To do that you must have special hosting licensing that costs more than these VMs cost.

        I'm pretty confident this is a software pirate.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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          @aaronstuder said in Dedicated KVM Slice Servers from BuyVM:

          @scottalanmiller https://buyvm.net/datacenters/

          It's where the company is based that matters. Can the FBI reach them there or does the risk from piracy rest purely with the customers?

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            That they charge nothing for Windows when it costs them a fortune gives it away, it has to be stolen copies. No way this company is running at a loss just because they love getting people to run Windows. Piracy is the only reasonable assumption that I can think of. Way more reasonable than running at an "unlimited donation" rate.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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              @aaronstuder said in Dedicated KVM Slice Servers from BuyVM:

              @scottalanmiller said in Dedicated KVM Slice Servers from BuyVM:

              I'm pretty confident this is a software pirate.

              That's a pretty bold claim...

              Not even slightly. It's the only reasonable one.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
                last edited by scottalanmiller

                Let's add up the evidence....

                • A company with a cheesy website that doesn't look like a real business.
                • The "company" is just the first name of the one guy with "tech" at the end. Frantech. Like Bobtech or Aarontech.
                • company's main website is a joke
                • Zero contact or jurisdiction details
                • Obviously selling a product from another company dramatically below cost - actually at zero cost.
                • Pricing is "too good to be true"

                This is as "it fell off the back of a truck" as technology gets.

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                  Alex Sage
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                  So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @Alex Sage
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                    @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                    So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

                    They aren't big enough to have been found yet, would be my guess.

                    That or Microsoft is forming a suit against them and collecting as much evidence as possible.

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                      Alex Sage @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 for 7 years? o_0

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                        @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                        So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

                        We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction. They could easily be in China or Iran making ALL liability go to the customer in the US who is foolish enough to think that they can get away without paying for their Windows licenses. Just like how nComputing used to make products that were sold on the promise of "bypassing Windows limits" - but left out that it just passed the liability on to the end users.

                        This is standard stuff in IT. Use software, make sure you know who holds the liability for it. Given what we know about the company, and how liability would pass down to the customer - why would you expect them to get "caught" and what action do you think would be taken? Especially if this is like CloudAtCost, where they very openly made the end customer the one that was going to have to face an audit?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                          @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                          So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

                          They aren't big enough to have been found yet, would be my guess.

                          That or Microsoft is forming a suit against them and collecting as much evidence as possible.

                          Or they pass the EULA to the customers, like CloudAtCost. Standard practice. They install YOUR license for you. Don't have one? That's your problem.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                            @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                            @DustinB3403 for 7 years? o_0

                            Where do you see that they've been pirating Windows for seven years? I only see them existing as a company for that long. And even that is questionable, that's just in the "about us" bit of their page. Look at their parent company.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                                  @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                  @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                  So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

                                  We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction.

                                  It's Canada.

                                  How do you know? We talked in the other thread about how that information wasn't available. They don't tell anything about their company anywhere.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Here is the company in question:

                                    https://frantech.ca/

                                    No info anywhere.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Alex Sage
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                                      @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                      @scottalanmiller Web Hosting Talk, and LowEndBox Topics.

                                      They talk about the Windows slices there, going back to 2010?

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        The site says that the server licensing is included for free for server 2008R2 and server 2012R2.

                                        For only $3.50 a month? How?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                          @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                          @aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                          So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?

                                          We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction.

                                          It's Canada.

                                          How do you know?

                                          He's assuming because the site is frantech.ca (which is canada). But the FBI can certainly reach canadian webmasters

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:

                                            The site says that the server licensing is included for free for server 2008R2 and server 2012R2.

                                            For only $3.50 a month? How?

                                            $25/year. Even less. That's just over $2/mo for a product that costs something around $8/mo to license. That means that every VPS is a $6/mo donation IF the base VPS was zero cost, which isn't even remotely true.

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