Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I didn't give you every state...I gave you my state.
Fair point. Do you understand what I'm saying though? Your reasons for not wanting autonomous cars are just more reasons for needing them.
I completely understand where you are coming from!! It would work great in the inner cities, not for rural areas in both attitude and application.
But the attitude you mention is one of "eh I can do what I want, when I want" the application is already there. Just a different form factor of vehicle.
What if one day you need to dig a septic tank, do you buy a backhoe just for it, or do you hire a guy?
A fully autonomous world would absolutely remove the one off issues you mention.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
So in these states that don't require insurance, when someone hits you and causes thousands of dollars of damage, you then have to sue them to get them to pay for repairs?
Seems like a double negative to me.
Na, they just suspend your license until you pay up LOL
RSA 264:3 provides that, after a motor vehicle accident, the director of the Division of Motor Vehicles of the New Hampshire Department of Safety shall suspend the license and registration of the at-fault driver and shall suspend the registration of the owner of the vehicle involved in the accident (the suspension of the registration includes the surrender of one’s license plates). This suspension usually applies until the driver and/or owner have provided security to satisfy any judgment for damages resulting from the accident.
So you don't get to travel at all under your own control. That is even more reason for self-driving cars! You'd never be stranded somewhere.
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IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
IF you get into an accident that is your fault.
How many accidents have you got into where it is your fault? Some people, that answer is zero...just not for me
The point is being stranded, and only human drivers can be at fault for an issue. It is always a human issue that causes car wrecks.
So you'd never be stranded and out a lot of money.
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@Minion-Queen said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
There is no way I could live without a car and a bigger vehicle for hauling stuff where I live. We also live in a rural area and there is NO public transportation at all here.
Public transportation? Around here it's called hitching a ride in a buggy.
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Also the accident situation still means you are without a vehicle for some amount of time. Usually the time it takes to call your insurance, make a claim and then go to the car rental place.
If we had self driving cars, one accidents would almost completely disappear, and two a replacement car / ambulance would be called immediately.
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AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)
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Also medical emergency help must be provided, and if you are unable to pay for it they don't just refuse you. It's not as if they ask for cash at the scene before they gurney up the person having a heart attack.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)
One which really is here to detract from the conversation at hand. Medical insurance is there because bodily parts fail, and accidents happen (and the health system is rigged in such a way to essentially mandate it).
[line about medical care was grounds for starting flame war].
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Not covered (a WHOLE different argument there LOL)
You being not covered is entirely on you (especially with The Affordable Care Act)
So, it's now MY fault?
Edit for reference: https://consumerist.com/2016/02/22/164-per-mile-surprise-ambulance-bills-are-a-growing-problem-difficult-to-avoid/
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@Son-of-Jor-El I didn't mean to upset you.
It was about the concept of refusing insurance, and then being sticker-shocked at the price of medical services. It can't be had both ways.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.
If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?
I'm 9 hours behind... so maybe this was already covered
Nothing about renting/calling a cab means the costs would go down.
If anything - self driving cars might really hurt the poor badly, just like how higher fuel prices affect the poor more than it does the wealthy.
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@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El I'd disagree with you that you have a need for a car, you have a need for transportation / work-tool vehicle.
If you could avoid paying $300-600/month and have Toyota worry about the maintenance of the vehicle (and it cost you pennies in comparison) wouldn't you want to save that money?
No because my guess is it would work like a lease where you cannot do certain things to the car because technically, you don't own it. A simple matter of changing the radio would be a hassle.
Also, and your talking to a car guy, one of the BEST things about owning a car is customization. Even something small like replacing a diverter valve to a full blown blow-off valve just for the noise is fun as all hell!!
You're missing the point - you wouldn't be getting the same car each time.. so customizing it would be pointless.
You can't customize the train you take if you live in NYC. The car could be just an extension of that.
You're mentioning of needing a vehicle for work - OK I can see the need for a work vehicle that could be customized, so sure - there will be a market for them. But compared to the current modern car ownership market.... yeah I don't think so, I can definitely see many household not owning anymore.
Of course some markets just won't be large enough to support a taxi-like service, so if you're rural, ownership will be significantly higher than in suburban areas.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El I didn't mean to upset you.
It was about the concept of refusing insurance, and then being sticker-shocked at the price of medical services. It can't be had both ways.
Actually it can. I'm not even clear how one could preclude the other. No matter how much you pay in insurance in the US, you can still get huge medical bills. Most of us avoid the insurance because, no matter how bad that sticker shock is, it's still less than the insurance cost.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
AMBULANCE!!!! I called an ambulance in July when my GF stopped breathing. Cost me $1500 for the 5 minute ride.
No thank you.
You/She don't have medical insurance? Seems like a personal issue there.
Actually it's a national issue. I'm not coverable under Obamacare. There isn't a plan that covers my family. That's not a personal issue, that's an national issue.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
If anything - self driving cars might really hurt the poor badly, just like how higher fuel prices affect the poor more than it does the wealthy.
Possible, but I'm guessing it is unlikely. The poor pay huge maintenance costs today, take huge risks from less safe vehicles. While it might not make things cheaper for the poor, it will level a lot of the playing fields in other ways.
