Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
The area between Lincoln Nebraska and Denver is pretty desolate. Sure there are a few 100K cities, but it's completely reasonable that a replacement car could be well over an hour away.
The great thing is, no matter how far away the car might be, chances are it is closer than service would be if you broke down there today.
That's my thought as well, and with driverless cars and system monitoring to wazoo the car you're in now, would say "critical repairs needed, order replacement car to destination"
Right, the car would order the next car immediately with information like how many passengers, intended destination, exact break down point and such. Doing that today is hard. In New Jersey, just telling the tow truck driver how to find us on the biggest Interstate in the state was a problem. Took forever to locate us because no one understood English, no one knew the area, people couldn't read maps, etc.
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@Dashrender I think the issue being missed here is that the cars them selves would schedule the required service, and monitor every system in the car, and report those issues back to base.
Thinking of the automatic vaccums (super basic) they can self charge, self empty, and self vacuum your house.
Essentially the same thing, determine fuel needs, determine maintenance (vacuum bag full) and determine the best route and time to your destination.
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my comment about a replacement car being an hour + away was not about how good self driving cars are/can be... it was in response to your - a replacement car is only mins away.. yeah not likely mins, when traveling between major cities is more likely an hour+.
Of course compared to the current breakdown situation between major cities.. that hour is probably fine, etc, etc...
Self driving still wins.
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@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You're in the mind set that the driver-less cars would break down without reporting the issue before hand. Which doesn't make sense. Especially if the car manufacturers want to turn into a ride-share type company as well. Like what Tesla is working on currently with their driver-less cars.
Those cars are constantly reporting back to Tesla on everything that occurs with the car, and around the car.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
my comment about a replacement car being an hour + away was not about how good self driving cars are/can be... it was in response to your - a replacement car is only mins away.. yeah not likely mins, when traveling between major cities is more likely an hour+.
Of course compared to the current breakdown situation between major cities.. that hour is probably fine, etc, etc...
Self driving still wins.
Even there my guess is that it would rarely take anywhere near an hour. Think about all the idle cars all over the place today. Sure, in the driverless world we will have a lot fewer cars overall (making the whole thing that much cheaper) but even so, every few houses would be assigned one, no matter how remote. So if you were driving through the most desolate part of the country you'd only have a few places in the entire country with actual "hour plus" gaps between people and only places with roads would be an issue and if there were roads, idle cars could be staged in the middle to maintain generally fast repair times.
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@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
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Also consider that things like Google intelligence will likely make there be amazing systems of "staged" cars in areas of traffic ready to help in case of disaster. The grid would know an hour before anyone entered an unpopulated area that someone was going to be there and that an emergency vehicle should exist within some range of it. The ability to gauge the entire national traffic grid and place backup cars where they are likely to be needed will do amazing things to lower cost and improve speed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
Yeah, something like the piston getting blown through the engine block is not something that can be accounted for. Which of course, you'd have those cases, but those are 1% of 1% break downs.
The other 99.9% of breakdowns all report to the computer built into the car already. (on dumb cars)
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Also consider that things like Google intelligence will likely make there be amazing systems of "staged" cars in areas of traffic ready to help in case of disaster. The grid would know an hour before anyone entered an unpopulated area that someone was going to be there and that an emergency vehicle should exist within some range of it. The ability to gauge the entire national traffic grid and place backup cars where they are likely to be needed will do amazing things to lower cost and
improve speedtravel times .Fixed that for you
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
This, this is what I'm talking about.
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As you already said Dustin, if the car thinks it's going to fail, when it reaches a certain point of expected failure, it should go to the nearest replacement. Seems like known failures would be beyond rare on long hauls, unknown/unexpected failures are what you need to be prepared for. These are where the car will be longer off than a few mins
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When I first got my class A license, I was driving for the largest van fleet in the country. If it was possible to have an area covered with maintenance, it was. Average time to see a mechanic pull up when I broke down on the road was still 4+ hours, with one instance being 4 days (tho that was a s***storm of epic proportions.)
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A strong American cultural value is their love of their cars, which is tied to their love of freedom. I noticed this living abroad. I saw public transportation working so well in other countries, but when you talk to people in the States about it the conversation will often drift towards "well what if I want to leave work early and the rest of the car pool doesn't?" That kind of stuff. With that said, I'm one of those people that really enjoys cars.
I'm also in the camp that thinks that the government can't do anything better for less cost than the private sector. So I would be in favor of letting private companies compete in cities. I was really disappointed with Austin TX when I went down their for Spiceworld. I used AirBNB for the first time and was looking forward to Uber and found out they were kicked out of the city for the city's own system.
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Was their system bad?
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
Was their system bad?
It was the best you could get at the time (2002-2004).
That 4 day ordeal was a truly epic fail all around, and was the only time I was stranded for more than ~8-10 hours total. When you blow a tire right before the last weigh station in Florida, it takes some time for the replacement guy to get to you
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I don't see the ownership of private vehicles being made illegal, just financially unsound.
As for the carpool thing - yeah, that's one reason I don't want to carpool, I need more mobile freedom than that afford. But with self driving cars, you order one. Being in a city like Omaha, I shouldn't have to wait more than 10 mins at most.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@DustinB3403 said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender Why do you think it would still be an hour or more away though? Why wouldn't the car notice the issue, and report the issue that instant, and then that instant another vehicle that meets the existing needs of the one your in rushes out to pick you up?
You have to assume meteor accident (total destruction, zero warning.) So no way to "prep" another car other than knowing where people are driving. So it might take longer than you think, but not very long.
This, this is what I'm talking about.
But how often does this kind of thing happen, especially on well maintained cars? With an autonomous fleet of cars servicing the country, you'd also be maintaining those cars just as often. And to a very high standard, as the car would dictate what gets replaced and when.
And if it doesn't pass a self-check, it doesn't continue to self drive.
The meteor hit car scenario would be an extremely low chance scenario.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
I don't see the ownership of private vehicles being made illegal, just financially unsound.
As for the carpool thing - yeah, that's one reason I don't want to carpool, I need more mobile freedom than that afford. But with self driving cars, you order one. Being in a city like Omaha, I shouldn't have to wait more than 10 mins at most.
Ownership will always be fine. Now driving them, that might be a problem.
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@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
As for the carpool thing - yeah, that's one reason I don't want to carpool, I need more mobile freedom than that afford.
In the self driving, shared car world, car pools have no negative impact on mobility. That's purely a owning your own private car problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
@Dashrender said in Trump appoints Kalanick and Musk to committee:
As for the carpool thing - yeah, that's one reason I don't want to carpool, I need more mobile freedom than that afford.
In the self driving, shared car world, car pools have no negative impact on mobility. That's purely a owning your own private car problem.
agreed.
