What router are you using at home?
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
My point is that Asus routers are well known for their performance vs other consumer grade products including linksys.
But why compare to that category? Linksys I've always found to be pretty bad, being good in comparison isn't a selling point.
Because the price point matches that category well.
I don't see how that is relevant. Why not compare quality in general, not "only quality compared to a bad category?" What does "price point matching" mean, especially in a market where consume and commercial overlap.
It is an all in one networking device with enterprise features and performance very similar to Ubiquiti.
Does all in one really matter?
It can, but generally I see that as a negative, not a positive. Harder to service, less flexible, etc.
I can see home users wanting only one thing to deal with - but if you're posting here - That instantly puts you out of the home user market in my mind.
Even then, generally home users only "want that" because they are told that that is what home users use.
Really? You think home users given the choice at Best Buy between buying two pieces to manage or just one, they would choose the two piece setup? Assuming everything else is equal?
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
My point is that Asus routers are well known for their performance vs other consumer grade products including linksys.
But why compare to that category? Linksys I've always found to be pretty bad, being good in comparison isn't a selling point.
Because the price point matches that category well.
I don't see how that is relevant. Why not compare quality in general, not "only quality compared to a bad category?" What does "price point matching" mean, especially in a market where consume and commercial overlap.
It is an all in one networking device with enterprise features and performance very similar to Ubiquiti.
Does all in one really matter?
It can, but generally I see that as a negative, not a positive. Harder to service, less flexible, etc.
I can see home users wanting only one thing to deal with - but if you're posting here - That instantly puts you out of the home user market in my mind.
Even then, generally home users only "want that" because they are told that that is what home users use.
Really? You think home users given the choice at Best Buy between buying two pieces to manage or just one, they would choose the two piece setup? Assuming everything else is equal?
Depends on the retail place your in. At a MicroCenter I'd expect them to recommend the two piece setup, and BestBuy whatever is more popular at the moment.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
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@travisdh1 said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
My point is that Asus routers are well known for their performance vs other consumer grade products including linksys.
But why compare to that category? Linksys I've always found to be pretty bad, being good in comparison isn't a selling point.
Because the price point matches that category well.
I don't see how that is relevant. Why not compare quality in general, not "only quality compared to a bad category?" What does "price point matching" mean, especially in a market where consume and commercial overlap.
It is an all in one networking device with enterprise features and performance very similar to Ubiquiti.
Does all in one really matter?
It can, but generally I see that as a negative, not a positive. Harder to service, less flexible, etc.
I can see home users wanting only one thing to deal with - but if you're posting here - That instantly puts you out of the home user market in my mind.
Even then, generally home users only "want that" because they are told that that is what home users use.
Really? You think home users given the choice at Best Buy between buying two pieces to manage or just one, they would choose the two piece setup? Assuming everything else is equal?
Depends on the retail place your in. At a MicroCenter I'd expect them to recommend the two piece setup, and BestBuy whatever is more popular at the moment.
really? microcenter would do something against profits? That seems odd. But who knows.. maybe they actually have a different moto and aren't public, so making money it's their goal?
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
My point is that Asus routers are well known for their performance vs other consumer grade products including linksys.
But why compare to that category? Linksys I've always found to be pretty bad, being good in comparison isn't a selling point.
Because the price point matches that category well.
I don't see how that is relevant. Why not compare quality in general, not "only quality compared to a bad category?" What does "price point matching" mean, especially in a market where consume and commercial overlap.
It is an all in one networking device with enterprise features and performance very similar to Ubiquiti.
Does all in one really matter?
It can, but generally I see that as a negative, not a positive. Harder to service, less flexible, etc.
I can see home users wanting only one thing to deal with - but if you're posting here - That instantly puts you out of the home user market in my mind.
Even then, generally home users only "want that" because they are told that that is what home users use.
Really? You think home users given the choice at Best Buy between buying two pieces to manage or just one, they would choose the two piece setup? Assuming everything else is equal?
You are not thinking about this well. You are using "consumers after they've been led to believe they need X", not "what consumers would want on their own."
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@travisdh1 said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
My point is that Asus routers are well known for their performance vs other consumer grade products including linksys.
But why compare to that category? Linksys I've always found to be pretty bad, being good in comparison isn't a selling point.
Because the price point matches that category well.
I don't see how that is relevant. Why not compare quality in general, not "only quality compared to a bad category?" What does "price point matching" mean, especially in a market where consume and commercial overlap.
It is an all in one networking device with enterprise features and performance very similar to Ubiquiti.
Does all in one really matter?
It can, but generally I see that as a negative, not a positive. Harder to service, less flexible, etc.
I can see home users wanting only one thing to deal with - but if you're posting here - That instantly puts you out of the home user market in my mind.
Even then, generally home users only "want that" because they are told that that is what home users use.
Really? You think home users given the choice at Best Buy between buying two pieces to manage or just one, they would choose the two piece setup? Assuming everything else is equal?
Depends on the retail place your in. At a MicroCenter I'd expect them to recommend the two piece setup, and BestBuy whatever is more popular at the moment.
really? microcenter would do something against profits? That seems odd. But who knows.. maybe they actually have a different moto and aren't public, so making money it's their goal?
Nope, it's the sales people who get tracked at least somewhat by what/how much customers buy things with their tags on em.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
How? He tested perfectly.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
How? He tested perfectly.
Sure he tested apples vs oranges i.e. 2 vs 3 as noted in a followup post.
The test itself is fine, but he was asking why UBNT stuff was so much slower. The answer would have been obvious if he had looked up the specs to see he wasn't doing a fair comparison.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
How? He tested perfectly.
Sure he tested apples vs oranges i.e. 2 vs 3 as noted in a followup post.
The test itself is fine, but he was asking why UBNT stuff was so much slower. The answer would have been obvious if he had looked up the specs to see he wasn't doing a fair comparison.
This is all very true, but it is also completely not what you said or even implied in your prior posts.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
How? He tested perfectly.
Sure he tested apples vs oranges i.e. 2 vs 3 as noted in a followup post.
The test itself is fine, but he was asking why UBNT stuff was so much slower. The answer would have been obvious if he had looked up the specs to see he wasn't doing a fair comparison.
This is all very true, but it is also completely not what you said or even implied in your prior posts.
A true and acurate testing method either implies testing apples to apples or requires you to state that you KNOW it's not apples to apples and therefore should anticipate some differences or if not anticipate them, at least not be surprised by them when/if they happen.
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he in fact wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I'll agree that there was a lot of Scott level assumptions in my previous post.
(that anyone reading my post after reading that other thread would have understood everything in the top of this post). -
For anyone interested in the Asus 1900 at $79 here is a link for the Tmobile version which is the same hardware. You can flash the original firmware without issue.
Tmobile Asus AC1900 - $79
Asus Ac1900 - $144Same hardware, etc.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
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@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
he is whining that someone made an invalid test because they did not understand the specs.
If you actually read the full spec details and understand what it all means, then you would know that these two devices are not the same thing.
Probably because we had to point it out to him in the past.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
he is whining that someone made an invalid test because they did not understand the specs.
If you actually read the full spec details and understand what it all means, then you would know that these two devices are not the same thing.
Probably because we had to point it out to him in the past.
Well, as a matter of fact you did crucify me on this point months ago, but now you're letting this OP'er get away with a test that is not truly valid.
IRJ - seriously? you go out and read the specs of a review to make sure the reviewer of a thing is really comparing apples to apples, ok, well good for you, I guess. Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all. -
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Well, as a matter of fact you did crucify me on this point months ago, but now you're letting this OP'er get away with a test that is not truly valid.
Because that would be an IT knowledge skill and not something I expect consumers to have.
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.Who said that this is widely known? Prove your bias.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.Who said that this is widely known? Prove your bias.
It's pretty widely known when trade publications run articles on the skewed methods or anyone just looks at the products and sees that they compare very limited and very offset products from different vendors. Takes nothing more than common sense and looking at the reviews. Avoiding competitive products so that the chosen products have no competition, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.This is research at a consumer level. You have no grip of reality outside your own point of view.
Are you trying to tell me a consumer is supposed to even know what all those numbers mean?
This is not something a typical consumer should ever need to figure out. Otherwise, they would be leaving the realm of consumer. -
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.This is research at a consumer level. You have no grip of reality outside your own point of view.
Are you trying to tell me a consumer is supposed to even know what all those numbers mean?
This is not something a typical consumer should ever need to figure out. Otherwise, they would be leaving the realm of consumer.Supposed to? Yes, absolutely. Cares to pay attention or actually cares which is better? No.
That's the difference. I don't think consumers are stupid, just have very different priorities and don't use tools like this, normally, to research but to justify pre-disposed decisions. They use the echo chamber effect to reduce buyer's remorse.
