Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@Lakshmana said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller Whether debian files work in it????
Work in TrueOS? No, it's not Linux at all, let alone Debian. But I can't state this enough... you don't care about Deb files.
Things you need to understand at this point:
- Deb is a file format, it is not the same as Debian. Don't refer to Deb files as Debian files. Debian is an OS. Deb is a file format used by Ubuntu, Debian, Mint and others.
- You don't care about file formats at all, I don't know why you keep asking about these, they are not important.
- Just because something can use a Deb file doesn't mean it can use one that you have. Those packages can be unique to a distro and version. Just because something is a Deb doesn't make it useful to a system than can use Debs.
- You don't just go around grabbing files, that is not how you are supposed to be using any major Linux. Use the repos and the individual files don't matter to you.
If he needs Chrome he's going to have to do it that way. He needs to know whether he can install a .deb or .rpm. Those are the only options (other than Mac or Windows).
Yeah, but every enterprise Linux does one or the other. He's not asking the right thing if what he wants is that capability.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@Lakshmana said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller Whether debian files work in it????
Work in TrueOS? No, it's not Linux at all, let alone Debian. But I can't state this enough... you don't care about Deb files.
Things you need to understand at this point:
- Deb is a file format, it is not the same as Debian. Don't refer to Deb files as Debian files. Debian is an OS. Deb is a file format used by Ubuntu, Debian, Mint and others.
- You don't care about file formats at all, I don't know why you keep asking about these, they are not important.
- Just because something can use a Deb file doesn't mean it can use one that you have. Those packages can be unique to a distro and version. Just because something is a Deb doesn't make it useful to a system than can use Debs.
- You don't just go around grabbing files, that is not how you are supposed to be using any major Linux. Use the repos and the individual files don't matter to you.
If he needs Chrome he's going to have to do it that way. He needs to know whether he can install a .deb or .rpm. Those are the only options (other than Mac or Windows).
Yeah, but every enterprise Linux does one or the other. He's not asking the right thing if what he wants is that capability.
Right, so he won't be able to install .deb or .rpm files. So he won't be able to use Chrome. I think that's what he was trying to figure out.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@Lakshmana said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller Whether debian files work in it????
Work in TrueOS? No, it's not Linux at all, let alone Debian. But I can't state this enough... you don't care about Deb files.
Things you need to understand at this point:
- Deb is a file format, it is not the same as Debian. Don't refer to Deb files as Debian files. Debian is an OS. Deb is a file format used by Ubuntu, Debian, Mint and others.
- You don't care about file formats at all, I don't know why you keep asking about these, they are not important.
- Just because something can use a Deb file doesn't mean it can use one that you have. Those packages can be unique to a distro and version. Just because something is a Deb doesn't make it useful to a system than can use Debs.
- You don't just go around grabbing files, that is not how you are supposed to be using any major Linux. Use the repos and the individual files don't matter to you.
If he needs Chrome he's going to have to do it that way. He needs to know whether he can install a .deb or .rpm. Those are the only options (other than Mac or Windows).
Yeah, but every enterprise Linux does one or the other. He's not asking the right thing if what he wants is that capability.
Right, so he won't be able to install .deb or .rpm files. So he won't be able to use Chrome. I think that's what he was trying to figure out.
But that's not something that needs to be known as any viable option WILL allow Chrome. But he question would cause him to rule out Suse, Fedora, Korora and tons of others because they don't use deb files. And what we saw from his other threads is that Chrome is not what he is trying to get, he's trying to bypass the repos and just install things willy nilly that he finds online because he is thinking that he is on Windows.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
But that's not something that needs to be known as any viable option WILL allow Chrome. But he question would cause him to rule out Suse, Fedora, Korora and tons of others because they don't use deb files.
You told him to try TrueOS. So he asked you if it would accept .deb packages. How did you get the idea that he is ruling them out? You told him about it.
And what we saw from his other threads is that Chrome is not what he is trying to get, he's trying to bypass the repos and just install things willy nilly that he finds online because he is thinking that he is on Windows.
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
You told him to try TrueOS. So he asked you if it would accept .deb packages. How did you get the idea that he is ruling them out? You told him about it.
Never got a response, that I noticed, that that was what he was asking about. TrueOS has its own enterprise package format system. Just like RPM and DEB. Chromium is included in the base repos.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
You told him to try TrueOS. So he asked you if it would accept .deb packages. How did you get the idea that he is ruling them out? You told him about it.
Never got a response, that I noticed, that that was what he was asking about. TrueOS has its own enterprise package format system. Just like RPM and DEB. Chromium is included in the base repos.
Right, and Chromium is in the repos for everything on the Linux side. But if you want H.264 streaming, AAC streaming, MP3 streaming (since the patent expired this year I would bet this changes), Flash, Silverlight (Netflix), etc you need regular Chrome.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
Because he was downloading all kinds of things that way, like Wine and VMware Workstation for Windows.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
No he did not. He was trying to install the DEB, which is not what Google says to do, nor what we told him to do in the thread. We told him to do it the Google way in the thread - to use the repos as intended.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11562/chrome-browser-in-ubuntu-17-04/5
https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
Google tells you to use the repos, which is what we told him to do as well. Install the Google Chrome repo and let apt-get do the installation. He was trying to get the DEB without a repo, which means not getting the dependencies and not doing it either the Ubuntu nor the Google way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
He specifically stated he was installing Chrome. The thread was even titled "Chrome Browser in Ubuntu 17.04"
I missed that there was a thread for that. Did we determine that he needed Chrome or any Chromium browser, though?
Not sure, he just got railed on for downloading Chrome the way Google has it packaged.
No he did not. He was trying to install the DEB, which is not what Google says to do, nor what we told him to do in the thread. We told him to do it the Google way in the thread - to use the repos as intended.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/11562/chrome-browser-in-ubuntu-17-04/5
https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
Google tells you to use the repos, which is what we told him to do as well. Install the Google Chrome repo and let apt-get do the installation. He was trying to get the DEB without a repo, which means not getting the dependencies and not doing it either the Ubuntu nor the Google way.
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos. And again specifically for Chrome, it sets the repos up for you, so
gdebi chrome-blah-blah.debdoes all of the work for you.Similarly, I can go manually set up the repos for RPMFusion under
/etc/yum.repos.d/or I can just download the RPM from their site and it sets up the repos. No different here. -
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
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And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
False. Second link is the page I posted.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
So A: If you go to the site for Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html, it says nothing about the repos.
It's Google. If you Google for Chrome Linux it sends you to the repo data, not that page.
False. Second link is the page I posted.
Literally the first response here. I didn't add the word "on".
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@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
Right, because the goal was to install something not available from the repos. So if Chrome doesn't exist in a repo, then that would apply. But it does, so it doesn't.
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@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@scottalanmiller said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
@stacksofplates said in Xubuntu 16.10 Issue Detected:
And you have a whole thread dedicated to defeating what you are saying.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/7506/installing-ansible-2-on-centos-7
Defeats it in what way?
You didn't want to use the packages in the repos because they were "too old" and not Ansible 2(only like 1.8). So you ran rpmbuild to make Ansible 2.
Right, because the goal was to install something not available from the repos. So if Chrome doesn't exist in a repo, then that would apply. But it does, so it doesn't.
Why was that a goal if you are supposed to be using the packages in the repos? Chrome doesn't exist in repos other than their own. Ansible exists in the repos, just not the version you wanted (which is a limitation if sticking with the distro's repos).
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You are mixing things. What THIS discussion about is a Linux newbie who just needs some very basic OS included packages selected (plus maybe Chrome, we aren't sure) that should be from an added repo. There is no reason to be considering building anything or getting individual packages or using commands like DPKG. You are then referencing advanced server configuration stuff for experts that has the sole purpose of building something that is not in the repos for a totally different purpose. The two are not related.
What this and his other threads are about is just getting a laptop up and running so that he can program Java. He was not aware of repos, how Linux works, when packages are appropriate, that software even existed for Linux, etc. We are trying to get him up and running the right way, not trying to confuse him with loads of "well you COULD do it this way." He doesn't need Wine, we are pretty sure he doesn't need Chrome, he doesn't need to download lots of packages, they are all in the OS already.
