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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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      @PSX_Defector True, but the SMB doesn't worry about processor density in a rack, either. Per rack processor density is only enterprise space and even there, not that common. It's more hosting provider space.

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        PSX_Defector @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

        @PSX_Defector True, but the SMB doesn't worry about processor density in a rack, either. Per rack processor density is only enterprise space and even there, not that common. It's more hosting provider space.

        In all the Fortune 500 companies I been around, yeah, density is pretty important. A certain agro-cult in Illinois had some serious density because it saved them cash on the environment. Big red V used blades all over. So did the Death Star, who practically pioneered density by changing switching gear for decades.

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        • MattSpellerM
          MattSpeller
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          Sell it all for $30k and buy some gear that'll really fit and work in your environment

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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            @MattSpeller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

            Sell it all for $30k and buy some gear that'll really fit and work in your environment

            That was covered, he's not allowed to sell it.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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              @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

              @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

              @PSX_Defector True, but the SMB doesn't worry about processor density in a rack, either. Per rack processor density is only enterprise space and even there, not that common. It's more hosting provider space.

              In all the Fortune 500 companies I been around, yeah, density is pretty important. A certain agro-cult in Illinois had some serious density because it saved them cash on the environment. Big red V used blades all over. So did the Death Star, who practically pioneered density by changing switching gear for decades.

              One of the big things that is often overlooked with blades is the extra gear needed to make it work. It moves the storage elsewhere, so you actually get better density of the entire workload for the SMB without blades. Only tons and tons of blades connected to few SAN get those high densities.

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              • MattSpellerM
                MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                @MattSpeller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                Sell it all for $30k and buy some gear that'll really fit and work in your environment

                That was covered, he's not allowed to sell it.

                Well that sucks

                I'd need to spend a whole pile of cash just to get half that stuff into my server room, let alone the electrical!

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  One major problem is that when you get big enough to have blades have sensible density, you normally have separate system, networking and storage teams. But Blades mix those together.

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                  • MattSpellerM
                    MattSpeller
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                    So, congratulations here's $60k of gear, let us know when you've spent $30k to upgrade your electrical, UPS and we'll come film you

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                    • StrongBadS
                      StrongBad @MattSpeller
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                      @MattSpeller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                      So, congratulations here's $60k of gear, let us know when you've spent $30k to upgrade your electrical, UPS and we'll come film you

                      And then buy a bunch of support gear (from us) so that it works.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @StrongBad
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                        @StrongBad said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                        @MattSpeller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                        So, congratulations here's $60k of gear, let us know when you've spent $30k to upgrade your electrical, UPS and we'll come film you

                        And then buy a bunch of support gear (from us) so that it works.

                        LOL Scott said that earlier too 😛

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                        • PSX_DefectorP
                          PSX_Defector @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                          One major problem is that when you get big enough to have blades have sensible density, you normally have separate system, networking and storage teams. But Blades mix those together.

                          So? One guy to rule them all is not a viable solution once you move from SMB.

                          And blades do not necessarily mix them together. We use exclusively software defined networking, from our switching to our firewalls. Would be the same thing without blades.

                          The only thing a blade brings one place to view it physically. The switch gear you plug in, it's managed the same old ways. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same equipment.

                          We separate out our teams to play to our strengths. I'm the Microsoft expert, we have a Linux expert, storage expert, networking experts and so on. We all can do some other job, but we focus on our strengths to keep things going.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                            @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                            One major problem is that when you get big enough to have blades have sensible density, you normally have separate system, networking and storage teams. But Blades mix those together.

                            So? One guy to rule them all is not a viable solution once you move from SMB.

                            Yes, and that was one of the reasons that blades got ruled out. They were designed to be "one guy to rule them all." Everything was comingled in one interface and the security between teams could not exist.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                              @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                              And blades do not necessarily mix them together. We use exclusively software defined networking, from our switching to our firewalls. Would be the same thing without blades.

                              That is a port problem, you need so many ports to handle that, it kills one of the major selling points of the blades.

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                              • PSX_DefectorP
                                PSX_Defector @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                One major problem is that when you get big enough to have blades have sensible density, you normally have separate system, networking and storage teams. But Blades mix those together.

                                So? One guy to rule them all is not a viable solution once you move from SMB.

                                Yes, and that was one of the reasons that blades got ruled out. They were designed to be "one guy to rule them all." Everything was comingled in one interface and the security between teams could not exist.

                                Geez, lazy folk.

                                Considering you can narrow down everything in a blade chassis, it sounds more like folks didn't understand the management rather than blades didn't offer all that could be done.

                                Which is really the biggest reason about anything. Folks don't understand, they go "bad!!!!" and that's the end of it.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                                  @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                  @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                  One major problem is that when you get big enough to have blades have sensible density, you normally have separate system, networking and storage teams. But Blades mix those together.

                                  So? One guy to rule them all is not a viable solution once you move from SMB.

                                  Yes, and that was one of the reasons that blades got ruled out. They were designed to be "one guy to rule them all." Everything was comingled in one interface and the security between teams could not exist.

                                  Geez, lazy folk.

                                  Considering you can narrow down everything in a blade chassis...

                                  how do you do that without comingling responsibilities? HPE was supporting it directly and said that it was the only option. So if you solved that problem, you are beyond what HPE believed their blades could do.

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                                  • PSX_DefectorP
                                    PSX_Defector @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                    @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                    And blades do not necessarily mix them together. We use exclusively software defined networking, from our switching to our firewalls. Would be the same thing without blades.

                                    That is a port problem, you need so many ports to handle that, it kills one of the major selling points of the blades.

                                    I only need four uplinks per chassis for the network, another four for fibre channel.. If I had 42 1U units, I would need a 48 port switch to just handle the networking, let alone the fibre channel.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                                      @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                      Which is really the biggest reason about anything. Folks don't understand, they go "bad!!!!" and that's the end of it.

                                      Well if the vendor is the one that doesn't understand it, bad it is.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                                        @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                        @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                        And blades do not necessarily mix them together. We use exclusively software defined networking, from our switching to our firewalls. Would be the same thing without blades.

                                        That is a port problem, you need so many ports to handle that, it kills one of the major selling points of the blades.

                                        I only need four uplinks per chassis for the network, another four for fibre channel.. If I had 42 1U units, I would need a 48 port switch to just handle the networking, let alone the fibre channel.

                                        No, you need two to four PER BLADE. If you do anything else, you have switching inside the blade chassis and now the chassis owner has network control and you violate the separation of duties that we were discussion above. That's the issue that HPE could not get us past. They could not come up with a way to maintain the separation between groups without replicating the entire former physical networking world.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @PSX_Defector
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                                          @PSX_Defector said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                          If I had 42 1U units, I would need a 48 port switch to just handle the networking, let alone the fibre channel.

                                          With 42 blades, according to HPE, to keep separation of duties we needed at least 84 ports.

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                                          • PSX_DefectorP
                                            PSX_Defector @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Ideas for how to use new, free gear from HPE?:

                                            how do you do that without comingling responsibilities?

                                            Remember what I said, the interface is still old school for the actual function.

                                            I can manage the hardware as the datacenter admin, I don't need console access to the blades nor the network/storage gear.

                                            I can manage the hypervisor from the ESX level without ever seeing the hardware.

                                            I can manage the switching without ever seeing ESX.

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