PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.
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@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
I would like to ask you, with what would you suggest based on my requirements mentioned in my Post ?
Use PDQ Deploy and you can roll it out quickly and easily to your entire fleet without needing Active Directory.
Is that PDQ Deploy Free is going to do trick for us while we are being in Workgroup ?
It will work for a lot of things, as long as you have an Admin account on all the workstations (I see that you said above you do).
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@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Dear all,
Looking for backup software for Windows environment with following requirements:
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Software that can isolate backup destination to protect from ransom-ware so that PC got infected will not effect backup target.
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Software can take snapshot or system image.
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Of course schedule backup and data retention option.
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Centralized Management.
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Good price, of course:)
The backup destination will be NAS box and we got around 100 PCs.
I prefer perpetual(one time payment) license.
Thanks all !
So above is your original post. Lets bullet out what you want and need.
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Backup isolation. Every centrally managed backup solution can do this, with detatched storage from the host/server. UrBackUp does this and is free. (There is a paid support version as well)
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Most solutions can do this, and offer a ISO to reinstall from the last image taken. UrBackUp also does this, and is offered for free.
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Any backup solution worth paying for has scheduling and retention. UrBackUp has this.
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UrBackUp runs from a server, and has a Web Console so while centrally managed, the jobs can be viewed from any system with access to the web server address.
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UrBackUp has both free, and paid options.
Very nice response.
Especially about isolation point, which I don't have any idea about Backup Server.
I should have a look at UrBackUp and may go for paid one if requires (not sure if paid one is again perceptual or subscription).If the yearly price is nearly the same, who cares?
Look at O365. When you look at the surface numbers, it looks like it is very expensive, and E1 plan $8/month ($96/yr) per employee. But when you look at the cost of a server, a Windows license, Exchange license, Exchange CALs, management costs, UPS ,spam filtering, backup solution, etc - when you really start looking at all of the costs break down, O365 starts looking very palatable. -
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@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
We do have file server on Windows server and users have been given access on and working with. But the issue is with CAD files they work, even do not suggest them to work directly on shared folder which take the performance down, so now they have working data (which is important).
Now, your question will be if you have Windows Server, why network is not in domain, and my answer is "so many computers are Home Edition", working on to make all Professional Edition.
Sigh - I fired a client year ago because they didn't want to buy Windows Pro licenses. Over the life of the machine, the extra $100 added $2/month to the cost. Considering the benefits they get, that cost is very worthwhile.
I hope you're able to get the company to upgrade. 100 PCs - you should definitely have some sort of central administration component - well.... unless you're a BOYD shop, then you just provide a portal type access (i.e. Citrix NFuse, or whatever the current name is). -
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
It is good to step back and ask.... is backup of endpoints really needed? Have you considered addressing the need to back up endpoints?
As I said in latest post, even though we have file server, users required to work on local pc due to CAD things, because of performance reasons, so if users have data on local pc, it's important.
Is this a real thing though? I've worked with CAD shops in the past and they stored everything on the server. I don't recall if the CAD program downloaded the entire file to a local scratch area, allowed work, then when saved, pushed it back to the server OR if the user had to download the file manually first, update it, then re upload it. In any case, I would think that either of these situations would be a better solution instead of backing up each end point separately.
I'm guessing management hasn't seen an issue where John is working on a set of plans, is off for a day and someone else needs to pull those plans up? Or is that problem just hidden from them because they call you when they need to access someone else's computer and files?
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@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
We do have file server on Windows server and users have been given access on and working with. But the issue is with CAD files they work, even do not suggest them to work directly on shared folder which take the performance down, so now they have working data (which is important).
Now, your question will be if you have Windows Server, why network is not in domain, and my answer is "so many computers are Home Edition", working on to make all Professional Edition.
If the business is running Home Edition licenses of Windows, you have bigger issues. You know you can't implement AD on Home, so you'd have to upgrade those to professional (or beyond).
I'm assuming the Windows licensing is adhered to the computers, which means you can't move it from device to device (legally). So you have a few choices, purchase a MAK license, and re-image and upgrade each user system to Windows Professional.
Starting with Windows Vista, one could purchase a key that would "upgrade" a version from Home to Pro - no reinstall required.
Or try your hand at a linux distro, and see if all of your software is functional on said linux distro.
He's a CAD shop - are there many Linux friendly CAD solutions?
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@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
While I agree with this, the OP asked for a specific solution. He didn't say... How do I make sure I don't loose any data from my end user PCs?
Additionally, we just learned that he doesn't have the PCs attached to a domain. This means there is a likelihood that he doesn't have a shared admin credential over all machines ( but it's possible he does), also he's missing out on things like GPOs.
I do have admin account on all workstations with same credentials. Yeah, missing out GPOs.
And a massive security hole in the organizations computer systems. . . .
Why is that? What makes this a larger hole than a domain admin account?
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@Dashrender This is a real issue, mostly because of the configuration settings within the software.
Most of the CAD (AutoCAD etc) have a setting to download the files locally, and then update the source directory at save time. Along with keeping a local copy for recovery reasons.
Mostly though people fail to configure the software to use this.
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@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender This is a real issue, mostly because of the configuration settings within the software.
Most of the CAD (AutoCAD etc) have a setting to download the files locally, and then update the source directory at save time. Along with keeping a local copy for recovery reasons.
Mostly though people fail to configure the software to use this.
While I've never seen a setting like that - in this type of situation that TOTALLY makes sense and solves the problem of performance.
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@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
While I agree with this, the OP asked for a specific solution. He didn't say... How do I make sure I don't loose any data from my end user PCs?
Additionally, we just learned that he doesn't have the PCs attached to a domain. This means there is a likelihood that he doesn't have a shared admin credential over all machines ( but it's possible he does), also he's missing out on things like GPOs.
I do have admin account on all workstations with same credentials. Yeah, missing out GPOs.
And a massive security hole in the organizations computer systems. . . .
Why is that? What makes this a larger hole than a domain admin account?
A domain admin account can have its password reset globally from 1 location, a local user admin account has to be touched on every system. And thus every system is susceptible to having local system files tampered / stolen etc etc with compromised local admin credentials.
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@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
We do have file server on Windows server and users have been given access on and working with. But the issue is with CAD files they work, even do not suggest them to work directly on shared folder which take the performance down, so now they have working data (which is important).
Now, your question will be if you have Windows Server, why network is not in domain, and my answer is "so many computers are Home Edition", working on to make all Professional Edition.
If the business is running Home Edition licenses of Windows, you have bigger issues. You know you can't implement AD on Home, so you'd have to upgrade those to professional (or beyond).
I'm assuming the Windows licensing is adhered to the computers, which means you can't move it from device to device (legally). So you have a few choices, purchase a MAK license, and re-image and upgrade each user system to Windows Professional.
Starting with Windows Vista, one could purchase a key that would "upgrade" a version from Home to Pro - no reinstall required.
Or try your hand at a linux distro, and see if all of your software is functional on said linux distro.
He's a CAD shop - are there many Linux friendly CAD solutions?
There are a few options of CAD software for linux, I haven't looked recently to find out if AutoCAD (etc) supports RedHat. I think they do.....
Now to google..
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Now speaking of Linux - The OP mentions that he has a Windows Server file server. Instead of making that an AD server as well, he might consider moving his server infrastructure completely to Linux and use SAMBA to provide AD functionality to his Windows clients. This could save a boat load in the long run. You'll still need Windows Pro on the workstations to use any AD functionality, but the server side licensing would be gone.
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Yep.. the audodesk family is supported on Linux.
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@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
We do have file server on Windows server and users have been given access on and working with. But the issue is with CAD files they work, even do not suggest them to work directly on shared folder which take the performance down, so now they have working data (which is important).
Now, your question will be if you have Windows Server, why network is not in domain, and my answer is "so many computers are Home Edition", working on to make all Professional Edition.
If the business is running Home Edition licenses of Windows, you have bigger issues. You know you can't implement AD on Home, so you'd have to upgrade those to professional (or beyond).
I'm assuming the Windows licensing is adhered to the computers, which means you can't move it from device to device (legally). So you have a few choices, purchase a MAK license, and re-image and upgrade each user system to Windows Professional.
Starting with Windows Vista, one could purchase a key that would "upgrade" a version from Home to Pro - no reinstall required.
Or try your hand at a linux distro, and see if all of your software is functional on said linux distro.
He's a CAD shop - are there many Linux friendly CAD solutions?
OpenSCAD is one... I'm sure there are others.
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@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
While I agree with this, the OP asked for a specific solution. He didn't say... How do I make sure I don't loose any data from my end user PCs?
Additionally, we just learned that he doesn't have the PCs attached to a domain. This means there is a likelihood that he doesn't have a shared admin credential over all machines ( but it's possible he does), also he's missing out on things like GPOs.
I do have admin account on all workstations with same credentials. Yeah, missing out GPOs.
And a massive security hole in the organizations computer systems. . . .
Why is that? What makes this a larger hole than a domain admin account?
A domain admin account can have its password reset globally from 1 location, a local user admin account has to be touched on every system. And thus every system is susceptible to having local system files tampered / stolen etc etc with compromised local admin credentials.
You can also remotely change the local admin account through a script, assuming you know what those credentials are. So no visit needed.
Don't get me wrong, the OP should definitely get Windows Pro and use some type of AD.
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Which is actually awesome, because this just means that you don't even need to pay for end-user licensing, as both CentOS and RedHat are supported.
So you could have a full Linux environment running enterprise software on CentOS.
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@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
... but the server side licensing would be gone.
Isn't that where a large chunk of the licensing fees go anyhow? Server License & CALs?
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@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?
I feel hurt. LOL.
While I agree with this, the OP asked for a specific solution. He didn't say... How do I make sure I don't loose any data from my end user PCs?
Additionally, we just learned that he doesn't have the PCs attached to a domain. This means there is a likelihood that he doesn't have a shared admin credential over all machines ( but it's possible he does), also he's missing out on things like GPOs.
I do have admin account on all workstations with same credentials. Yeah, missing out GPOs.
And a massive security hole in the organizations computer systems. . . .
Why is that? What makes this a larger hole than a domain admin account?
A domain admin account can have its password reset globally from 1 location, a local user admin account has to be touched on every system. And thus every system is susceptible to having local system files tampered / stolen etc etc with compromised local admin credentials.
You can also remotely change the local admin account through a script, assuming you know what those credentials are. So no visit needed.
Don't get me wrong, the OP should definitely get Windows Pro and use some type of AD.
And assuming you have access to the user system, if it's offline (because it's unplugged or wireless is toggled off) you'd have no access.
But this goes into the "you've lost physical control of the device" so meh... different subject entirely.
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@dafyre said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
... but the server side licensing would be gone.
Isn't that where a large chunk of the licensing fees go anyhow? Server License & CALs?
Yes, User/Client CALs is the bulk of how Microsoft makes their money. The individual OS licensing is beer money, essentially.
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What CAD programs are you supporting @openit ? The Autodesk family has never been supported on Home versions of Windows from what I can see in their offerings...
Though this doesn't mean that it doesn't install..
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@dafyre said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:
... but the server side licensing would be gone.
Isn't that where a large chunk of the licensing fees go anyhow? Server License & CALs?
Really those fees aren't really all THAT high. Standard Windows Server is $850 for two VMs on a single host. So $425 ea. CALs are around $35/ea
Compare these fees to O365 or third party spam filtering, etc, it's right in line with what you pay for everything else for the end user. Is it extra cost that you can get away from, sure, but is it so crippling as to need to completely avoid it at near or any costs? I don't think so.
Now here's where I'll point out that Scott will say that we need to consider the business, and make proper business decisions to know if Windows is the right solution for us or not. I think he would say that if the company can't afford Windows Pro, then it really can't afford Windows at all.
