Migrate and/or replace old cert server?
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@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
So the Hyper-V console was there, but no VMs?
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@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
So the Hyper-V console was there, but no VMs?
Nope, they had three guest VMs running on it (one was a print server, one was their accounting app server, and the third was their TV media server).
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
So the Hyper-V console was there, but no VMs?
Nope, they had three guest VMs running on it (one was a print server, one was their accounting app server, and the third was their TV media server).
This changes everything.
@scottalanmiller looks like they were doing there job! at least partly.
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
So the Hyper-V console was there, but no VMs?
Nope, they had three guest VMs running on it (one was a print server, one was their accounting app server, and the third was their TV media server).
Oh, so there was Hyper-V installed, not just the console.
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@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
Wait, this statement doesn't make sense. There is no "host" with virtualization. EIther it is on the Hyper-V machine or it is not. Everything on a Hyper-V machine is a VM.
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So have you removed all VMs from this host?
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@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
So the Hyper-V console was there, but no VMs?
Nope, they had three guest VMs running on it (one was a print server, one was their accounting app server, and the third was their TV media server).
This changes everything.
@scottalanmiller looks like they were doing there job! at least partly.
OK I sorta spoke too soon - SP installed in Hyper-V root - lol
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@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
Wait, this statement doesn't make sense. There is no "host" with virtualization. EIther it is on the Hyper-V machine or it is not. Everything on a Hyper-V machine is a VM.
it's on Dom0.
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@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
Wait, this statement doesn't make sense. There is no "host" with virtualization. EIther it is on the Hyper-V machine or it is not. Everything on a Hyper-V machine is a VM.
Sorry if I confused things. I meant that this server had the Hyper-V role installed, and they had three guest VMs running inside that virtual infrastructure (meaning, it wasn't a dedicated host like an ESXi host is).
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@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
So have you removed all VMs from this host?
Yes, long ago. I did away with the print server completely, the media server was rebuilt from scratch as a VMware guest in our ESXi infrastructure and I did a V2V of the accounting server and migrated it also over to our ESXi environment.
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
Wait, this statement doesn't make sense. There is no "host" with virtualization. EIther it is on the Hyper-V machine or it is not. Everything on a Hyper-V machine is a VM.
Sorry if I confused things. I meant that this server had the Hyper-V role installed, and they had three guest VMs running inside that virtual infrastructure (meaning, it wasn't a dedicated host like an ESXi host is).
That additional "host" is a VM. It's exactly how VMware was until recently. But it is another VM that requires all the same licensing as any other VM (except in very specific cases where it is completely useless.) In both cases, it should not exist.
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I think that you had four guest VMs from the description. Just one was being perceived as the host, even though it was a VM like the others.
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@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
First let me say that I know nothing about certificate services, IIS or SQL (all three of which are currently configured and running on this server).
Why are those together? That's not generally a best practice. I realize that Windows licensing causes some decisions that would otherwise be poor, but this seems an odd combination.
I'm betting it's mainly because the company didn't want to buy 2-3 physical servers. If they would have gone virtualized back then, they might be on different OSEs.
Right.... so assuming one bad decision leading to another.
I know you've been using virtualization since the day VMWare rolled out their first internal only beta (yes I'm kidding), but I don't feel that the SMB really started using virtualization until 2010 or later. It's likely whoever setup this server was unfamiliar with virtualization and they were working with what they knew.
I guess you could say that the bad decision was that the business had a one man/very small IT internal staff. If they had a good MSP or consulting business partner, they might have have gone another route.
The ONLY "virtualization" infrastructure that was in place when I got here was a Hyper-V console (on the same server that I referenced in my original post in this thread; the server that also has SharePoint! This server used to also be a print server and a file server on top of everything else I've already mentioned).
I deployed the VMware infrastructure about a year or so after I started working here.
Assuming that the servers were commodity and post 2005, that means that someone was slacking. Why was Hyper-V console installed but nothing else? That's weird. Did you ever figure out why?
It wasn't "Hyper-V and nothing else". It was a "DC, SharePoint, File Server, Cert Server, AND a Hyper-V host"!
That's not what he means - he means, why was the console for Hyper-V installed and VMs not created - OR - ARE there VMs and Sharepoint is running in a VM? etc...
Nope, SharePoint is running natively in the host OS (not in a VM inside the Hyper-V host which was also installed/running on this server in the past)
Wait, this statement doesn't make sense. There is no "host" with virtualization. EIther it is on the Hyper-V machine or it is not. Everything on a Hyper-V machine is a VM.
Sorry if I confused things. I meant that this server had the Hyper-V role installed, and they had three guest VMs running inside that virtual infrastructure (meaning, it wasn't a dedicated host like an ESXi host is).
That additional "host" is a VM. It's exactly how VMware was until recently. But it is another VM that requires all the same licensing as any other VM (except in very specific cases where it is completely useless.) In both cases, it should not exist.
I'm getting more confused now... you lost me on that last comment Scott :-S (others: please feel free to chime in on Scott's comment to help alleviate the confusion if possible)
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@scottalanmiller said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
I think that you had four guest VMs from the description. Just one was being perceived as the host, even though it was a VM like the others.
I'll try to layout how this main server was setup:
-A single ProLiant DL360 G6 with 24GB of RAM and a 1TB raid array (4 drives, 7200rpm SATA; yeah, major lame sauce!). I'll refer to this server as the "primary server"; it's the main physical box that everything is "hosted" on/in
-The server has Windows Server 2008 R2 installed and promoted it to a domain controller
-They installed the Hyper-V role which runs as a console (much like VMware Workstation; type 2 hypervisor)
-They built three VMs inside this Hyper-V console
-They installed SharePoint in the primary server (not as a VM) and they configured it so that staff could access it from outside the network
-They installed the Cert Services roles in the primary server and configured it to talk with a separate physical server that acted as the radius hostDoes this help?
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@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
-They installed the Hyper-V role which runs as a console (much like VMware Workstation; type 2 hypervisor)
No actually it doesn't. When you install Hyper-V role, Hyper-V is installed Under that current install, making that install the first VM on the platform. This is typically referred to as Dom0.
This new VM is generally only supposed to be used to mange all additional VMs you add to the host. But you can choose to ignore that and install whatever other services, AD, Sharepoint, etc into it. If you do, you just need to make sure you include the correct licensing for it.
Now you mentioned three other VMs. So assuming you had two Windows Server licenses assigned to this box, you were covered since each license allows for two OSEs.
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@Dashrender said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
@Shuey said in Migrate and/or replace old cert server?:
-They installed the Hyper-V role which runs as a console (much like VMware Workstation; type 2 hypervisor)
No actually it doesn't.You lost me here... a Type 1 hypervisor is a "on hardware" hypervisor (exclusively running as the OS, like ESXi). A Type 2 hypervisor is an "on software" hypervisor (like VMware Workstation).
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See my updated previous post.
