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Robert5205 Dec 6, 2017 at 9:55 AM
StorageNinja wrote:
Kevin, that is my understanding from Microsoft audits. They never cared about powered off VMs...I've asked about this specifically and been told they need to be licensed. I would love to be wrong on this. I'd suddenly have twice as many licenses available.
But, given the two options, which one benefits MS more? I think that's going to be the one that applies.
On a side note, a physical server with WS installed still requires a license to be a licensed installation, even if it's turned off. I can't see the rationale for treating a virtual server differently.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy actually made up that he was responding to cloud recommendations, and thought that no one would look back to see what he was talking about. He's just derailing a thread because he hates something called cloud without having any idea what it even is!
I got this post nuked because we apparently are not allowed to point out that someone has lied even when they are attacking people.
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@dustinb3403 said in I can't even:
Robert5205 Dec 6, 2017 at 9:55 AM
StorageNinja wrote:
Kevin, that is my understanding from Microsoft audits. They never cared about powered off VMs...I've asked about this specifically and been told they need to be licensed. I would love to be wrong on this. I'd suddenly have twice as many licenses available.
But, given the two options, which one benefits MS more? I think that's going to be the one that applies.
On a side note, a physical server with WS installed still requires a license to be a licensed installation, even if it's turned off. I can't see the rationale for treating a virtual server differently.
Yeah, he lies about everything. He's a crook and will hurt anyone in any way he can. I have no idea why SW defends him, he's a sack of something stinky. He's actually moved into full on evil territory - like he literally hates the community members.
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@dustinb3403 said in I can't even:
On a side note, a physical server with WS installed still requires a license to be a licensed installation, even if it's turned off. I can't see the rationale for treating a virtual server differently.
LOL, except it doesn't. Never has. This guy will say anything, no matter how blatantly untrue it is. I can't tell if he thinks people are really that foolish, or if he really doesn't understand how dumb he looks.
He's edging into Curtis territory - he can't tell when things are plausible anymore.
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How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
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@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica, needs to be licensed. No, you don't have to go out and buy a license for it if its' covered by Software Assurance. But you do if your replica host is not licensed to cover the replica VM.
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@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
That's what Robert and a few others literally are preaching all of the time. And they get pretty vicious if you point out the obviousness of the fallacy.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
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@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
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Although I don't know personally that Hyper-V Replica requires a license, only that replicas themselves don't. I've not seen any docs about Hyper-V's technology needing it specifically.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/465839-do-i-need-a-windows-license-for-a-virtual-replica
I'd like to see where MS lists there being a need for the replica process to have a license.
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Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Although I don't know personally that Hyper-V Replica requires a license, only that replicas themselves don't. I've not seen any docs about Hyper-V's technology needing it specifically.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/465839-do-i-need-a-windows-license-for-a-virtual-replica
I'd like to see where MS lists there being a need for the replica process to have a license.
Yeah, you have a good point, and that would seem strange, because it does basically mean that Hyper-V does require a license to do things.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
So, what does SA give you in this situation then?
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@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Everyone states that you need a license, but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on. I've searched and never found any MS statements that say that backups in that state need a license. I have a feeling it's not needed for Hyper-V Replica, either.
So, what does SA give you in this situation then?
The ability to fire it up.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
And if you back up VM1 to BACKUPSERV1, no license needed. The backup of VM1 is not a Hyper-V Replica, it's just a "dumb" .vhdx file you can't do anything with, and is not "attached" to Hyper-V Replication.
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
And if you back up VM1 to BACKUPSERV1, no license needed. The backup of VM1 is not a Hyper-V Replica, it's just a "dumb" .vhdx file you can't do anything with, and is not "attached" to Hyper-V Replication.
In this scenario, there are 3 VM1.vhdx files. Two of them are in Hyper-V replication of one-another. The third is not.
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@scottalanmiller said
but they always include the assumption that you will turn it on.
If a server is in the woods, but is never turned on, is it really a server?
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@tim_g said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@tim_g said in I can't even:
@bnrstnr said in I can't even:
How the F does a turned off computer/VM need to be licensed? Does this mean that full backups of VMs each need their own licenses?! If so, I'm so screwed on licenses...
No, just Hyper-V Replicas.
Whatever you are replicating in Hyper-V Manager that is actually a Hyper-V Replica...
A huge key here...
Hyper-V Replica requires a license.
A Hyper-V replica does not.Semantics, that capital letter matters.
So use Veeam to replicate and you're golden.
Correct.
If you have Hyper-V HOST1 and Hyper-V HOST2, and you replicate VM1 between them, you need a license for the replica, no matter what.
Not quite. There are many ways that I can replicate a VM to another server that do not involve using the built in replication method.
It is very specifically the use of the Hyper-V Replication function within Hyper-V that requires SA to be allowed to replicate a VM to another server.
