I can't even
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
Wonder if I'll get any comments on my one word answer.
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@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
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all we can really do is LOL.
Actually that's not true - this guy has preconceived notions that need to be challenged. No different than I did when I joined SW years ago. I'm guessing he's missing the understanding of why RAID 5 is bad for HDDs these days (just like I was), definitely seems to not understand how the Storage Spaces works, etc.
Now Scott loves to assume that everyone is as brilliant as he is, and that they automatically know that Storage Spaces is the rebanded MS Software RAID. The reality is that many don't. And he, like many others, my have run MS RAID in the past and were part of the fortunate ones that never had a problem with it. So, like those that believe they have HA because they have a SAN and they've never had outage continue to believe in that single SAN solution as viable for HA, we know from understanding real failure domains that it's not HA.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
There's no need to be aggressive with me.
I'm outta here.
LOL.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
all we can really do is LOL.
Actually that's not true - this guy has preconceived notions that need to be challenged. No different than I did when I joined SW years ago. I'm guessing he's missing the understanding of why RAID 5 is bad for HDDs these days (just like I was), definitely seems to not understand how the Storage Spaces works, etc.
The problem is, he does the misdirection thing. Instead of saying "I don't understand" or "can you clarify" or "I don't agree" he pulls out a "I know this doesn't matter because of this unrelated thing" to try to make it sound like he knows why it's okay but demonstrates that he's attempting to make someone (maybe his boss) think he has an answer that he doesn't. He's not even acknowledging the advice, he's ignoring it in an aggressive way.
Like the iSCSI. We say "this isn't safe." He answers "I think it's fast enough." WTF
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
Now Scott loves to assume that everyone is as brilliant as he is, and that they automatically know that Storage Spaces is the rebanded MS Software RAID.
Firstly, that's informed, has nothing to do with being smart. And I assume nothing of the sort, I state it up front so that he knows it. Later on when he gets the info wrong it's because he's being belligerent, not uninformed. He's been informed, by me - specifically because I assumed that he didn't know it, because if he did he wouldn't be testing it.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
So, like those that believe they have HA because they have a SAN and they've never had outage continue to believe in that single SAN solution as viable for HA, we know from understanding real failure domains that it's not HA.
That's just lacking common sense. Those same people would think driving without a seatbelt was safe for the same reason.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
yes they can or could - but as SW clearly show - small shop IT seem to be more just the IT buyers type, and less the critical IT thinkers type.
so it's a combination of faults - the management of said company doesn't know or care, and the same for the "IT" side. -
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
So, like those that believe they have HA because they have a SAN and they've never had outage continue to believe in that single SAN solution as viable for HA, we know from understanding real failure domains that it's not HA.
That's just lacking common sense. Those same people would think driving without a seatbelt was safe for the same reason.
Call it what you will, but if it doesn't just smack someone in the face, the reality is that most don't dig much beyond the surface of understanding. In the case of a SAN - they simply know they don't know, and don't care enough to understand.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
yes they can or could - but as SW clearly show - small shop IT seem to be more just the IT buyers type, and less the critical IT thinkers type.
so it's a combination of faults - the management of said company doesn't know or care, and the same for the "IT" side.Absolutely. Just important to not call them generalists. Generalist is a real job and a hard one and an important one. Generalists and buyers are very different. SW is a buyer's community, it's set up to be that and it is important to have one. Buyers are a bigger portion of the market than generalists. VARs are the key vendors for buyers, where as consultancies are the main one for IT.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
yes they can or could - but as SW clearly show - small shop IT seem to be more just the IT buyers type, and less the critical IT thinkers type.
so it's a combination of faults - the management of said company doesn't know or care, and the same for the "IT" side.Absolutely. Just important to not call them generalists. Generalist is a real job and a hard one and an important one. Generalists and buyers are very different. SW is a buyer's community, it's set up to be that and it is important to have one. Buyers are a bigger portion of the market than generalists. VARs are the key vendors for buyers, where as consultancies are the main one for IT.
Right, well it's that you have buyers who think they are generalist - and without some type of test to know which one you are, business owners will continue to have no clue what they are hiring.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
yes they can or could - but as SW clearly show - small shop IT seem to be more just the IT buyers type, and less the critical IT thinkers type.
so it's a combination of faults - the management of said company doesn't know or care, and the same for the "IT" side.Absolutely. Just important to not call them generalists. Generalist is a real job and a hard one and an important one. Generalists and buyers are very different. SW is a buyer's community, it's set up to be that and it is important to have one. Buyers are a bigger portion of the market than generalists. VARs are the key vendors for buyers, where as consultancies are the main one for IT.
Right, well it's that you have buyers who think they are generalist - and without some type of test to know which one you are, business owners will continue to have no clue what they are hiring.
Super unbelievably basic business skills tell you that, it takes zero caring or technical knowledge, only common sense and basic business sense to know the different between someone who does a job and someone who hires someone else to do a job.
Even a kid running a lemon-aid stand knows the difference between making your own lemon-aid and going to the store and buying it.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
I'd almost have to say that most generalist don't fit Scott's definition of an IT guy, and possible not even a more generally accepted definition either. more often than not, generalists don't do research, they call up on the sales guy to sell him something that he can then sell to management.
Well, that wouldn't be a generalist if that was what they did. That's an IT Buyer, not someone working in IT. Like buying a car makes me a car buyer, not an automotive engineer. IT people buy products too, of course, but IT practitioners are product buyers, not IT buyers (at least part of the time.) What you describe isn't a generalist at all but purely a layer of bureaucracy paid to buy IT. I have no idea why companies have this layer as the layer about could buy IT more cost effectively and faster without that layer.
yes they can or could - but as SW clearly show - small shop IT seem to be more just the IT buyers type, and less the critical IT thinkers type.
so it's a combination of faults - the management of said company doesn't know or care, and the same for the "IT" side.Absolutely. Just important to not call them generalists. Generalist is a real job and a hard one and an important one. Generalists and buyers are very different. SW is a buyer's community, it's set up to be that and it is important to have one. Buyers are a bigger portion of the market than generalists. VARs are the key vendors for buyers, where as consultancies are the main one for IT.
Right, well it's that you have buyers who think they are generalist - and without some type of test to know which one you are, business owners will continue to have no clue what they are hiring.
Super unbelievably basic business skills tell you that, it takes zero caring or technical knowledge, only common sense and basic business sense to know the different between someone who does a job and someone who hires someone else to do a job.
Even a kid running a lemon-aid stand knows the difference between making your own lemon-aid and going to the store and buying it.
That assumes you want to drink the lemon-aide....
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Huge thread, suddenly takes a turn....
[Edit... his wording on the last post was wrong, he did the RIGHT thing and all is going well.]
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
@BRRABill said in I can't even:
@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
This guy moved from "this looks bad" to "if I was his boss I'd reconsider his employment." He's clearly got an agenda and even suggesting that he consider something else gets him quite defensive. I wonder what he's playing at. We warned him thoroughly about why every single thing he was doing was reckless and his responses were super clear that he didn't read anything we wrote and stated gibberish in response to every point. Either he's incredibly slow or he's being intentionally belligerent to cover for something. Why he's bothering to ask for advice when he obviously has no interest in it, though, is beyond me. Every single respondent had the same opinion of what he was doing being stupid. Not like there was any debate, at all.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
My only "defense" is that when you start out interacting with you, and some others, it does feel like people are being a bit aggressive and ... whatever.
It's not the case. I'm just saying it's probably a common first reaction.
Yeah, but he's supposed to be an IT guy. He should be looking for vetting of his ideas every day. Who cares that I sound aggressive? I didn't call him stupid, I pointed out how to fix his mistakes so that he could not get fired.
From reading that thread, I'm pretty sure that guy is in marketing, or just very susceptible to it. All he really does is shield his ignorance with sales/marketing bullet points. The word "shill" comes to mind...
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
this guy has preconceived notions that need to be challenged
All of our notions need to be constantly challenged. This has be the most useful thing for me coming here. You yourself actually said something I've adopted which was "I argue to learn". It's absolutely true.
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@scottalanmiller said in I can't even:
Huge thread, the OP knew up front why it was a bad idea, and after loads and loads of good info.... he never gives any reason and goes with the IPOD anyway. In his lasts posts he even states that it more expensive and doesn't get good support options while wording it to make it sound like it wasn't a rip off.
that guy was worse than the one on Friday.
