Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution
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Thanks for all the input on this peeps.
A few years ago if I was doing this refresh and a rep/sales man/someone said to me for HA you need 3 hosts + SAN I would of just signed the order.But now thanks to Spiceworks and Mangolassi communities I can call BS! and offer a different way of thinking
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@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You can also use EMC ScaleIO for free with your own hardware if you use the community for support https://www.emc.com/products-solutions/trial-software-download/scaleio.htm (or you can buy the software or pre-configured dell servers with it).
For commercial use, too? How did I not know that they had opened this up?
Yes, the EULA has no restrictions on that. Their marketing terms of course try to convey you should " When you are ready to purchase a ScaleIO software license for full production use and maintenance, contact a Sales Associate" but the EULA has nothing requiring it.
This isn't true. Don't get yourself intro trouble with misuse! You can't use it for production and you have to let EMC know you evaluate with a prod use in mind. That's EVERYTHING but free... IMHO.
https://www.emc.com/content/terms/eula-scaleio.htm
E. “Internal Business Purposes” means an internal (non-commercial) Use for the purpose(s) of testing and demonstrating the features of the Software, and not for Customer product development, product testing, or other Customer research and development or commercial purposes.
You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms. Our EMC rep already confirmed it to us.
I read everything correctly. 3A grants you rights to use sofware for "Internal Use". Internal Use means non-commercial.
I don't know what EMC sales rep verbally told you. Talk to your lawyers with EULA in hand, it's public.
Doesn't matter we have the Email from EMC. That is permission to use it.
If there's no financial interest from the person who told that he won't show up in the court, it would be you for EULA violation and EMC lawyers. When you install product you accept EULA and THAT is what you agree on when you use the licensed software. E-mail = junk.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
If there's no financial interest from the person who told that he won't show up in the court, it would be you for EULA violation and EMC lawyers. When you install product you accept EULA and THAT is what you agree on when you use the licensed software. E-mail = junk.
The Emails are still there the person does not have to show up in court. When did you become a lawyer? We have a very good legal team. They have all looked at it. Heck we even have a modified EULA from Microsoft with our EA as our legal team did not like some of their normal verbiage, it's not the same one you install the software with, the fact it what a company says, signs etc outside of that EULA can still modify it. Like it or not that's how it is.
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Ooh, whose got the best lawyers?
All I know is, I don't have any lawyers! I sometimes worry that I'll get arrested for a murder I didn't commit and I'll go "phone my lawyer", only I don't have one and don't even know how you'd go about getting one. I'd probably just phone my mom or something.
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You do realize you are talking to someone at a fortune 100 right? I am way way bigger than your company. We have a big and great legal team. I don't know what the hell is with your attitude on here. Great way for a vendor to act. Guess we know to never do business with you.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
You do realize you are talking to someone at a fortune 100 right? I am way way bigger than your company. We have a big and great legal team. I don't know what the hell is with your attitude on here. Great way for a vendor to act. Guess we know to never do business with you.
Working as an employee for Fortune 100 company does't make you smarter / richer / happier than somebody who runs his "Mom&Dan" plumber shop on his own and built it from the ground up.
That's not even what we were talking about you brought up lawyers.. You enjoy being jerks over there at starwinds? I will never do business with such a company that has people acting like this.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Yeah, I did. I asked if you have a questions about EULA you should talk to people inside your company who will go to court if you'll screw up. Because it's THEIR job. What's wrong with that?
As I've said before we already have..
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I repeat: you do BAD things. You give advices to people based on your special conditions (if they do exist, I don't really care about that) and people may get hurt. Everything else is lyrics.
I specifically stated we had emails from the rep saying it was okay. Now your questioning MY ethics and morals? A vendor is now PERSONALLY attacking people on forums.. yeah. great company.
You started with telling / talking EULA works for everybody just because you see it this way. Than appeared "sales rep told". Then "told" turned into e-mails. Look, whole story is above, what are you trying to do there? Call black with white? Why?
I'm not attacking you, I'm saying you can't do things like you do. I don't act as a vendor. Ever heard about good samaritan law? You have a great lawyers, go ask them LOL.
I said We confirmed with the rep what the EULA meant. He said it was allowed. So it is allowed for us. I did not realize it was not allowed in general from the EULA at the being as you can see if you actually read this thread.
No, that's not how it is. Am I blind or what? Who wrote THIS?
"You are reading that incorrectly. That's just definitions, not the terms."
And there's a zillion posts between that and this. Move on dude.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
Ooh, whose got the best lawyers?
All I know is, I don't have any lawyers! I sometimes worry that I'll get arrested for a murder I didn't commit and I'll go "phone my lawyer", only I don't have one and don't even know how you'd go about getting one. I'd probably just phone my mom or something.
That's what most people do. You phone family and the family goes and hires a lawyer and then the lawyer calls you or stops by. Only the super rich have a lawyer ready to call and only so many people who have one have their number handy when being arrested.
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@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@Jason said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
@KOOLER said in Hardware refresh and Selling the Solution:
I'm not attacking you.
"I repeat: you do BAD things." is very much a personal attack.
Confusing people is a bad thing. It's a constitution of fact. Where do you see attack? You can swim and somebody can't, he's asking can he cross the river and you say "yes" assuming he CAN swim. He dies. Who are you? Good person or bad person? Good advice vs bad advice? Etc.
Again you aren't reading the whole thread...
I said way up there
"Yeah sounds like EMC very well may have been making an expectation for us then since we spend so much with them on VMAX, Unity VSA etc."
