Another Personal Storage Discussion



  • When I joined ML, I was saving all my data to my local hard drive. I used OneDrive to have my data accessible in the cloud. I used CrashPlan to back all the local data up (including the synced OneDrive data). And I used a SED (self-encrypting drive).

    I figured this was the perfect setup, but after a few weeks at ML, I started to have second thoughts as many people pushed the "no local data" philosophy.

    So, I gave it a whirl, and I have to admit it's been pretty good. And it does make sense in many ways, especially with cloud aware applications such as Office 2016.

    But some discussion here on ML last week really got my spooked to what my main issue has always been with this...no actual backup. What happens if someone were to hack my OneDrive account and delete all my files? What if somehow all the files got deleted? I know @scottalanmiller always says you have to trust that not to happen, but still...

    My initial thought was ... just sync everything back to my computer, and then back that up to CrashPlan (or Back Blaze or whatever). And really the only issue I can see with that is the fact of having local data back on the computer. Plus it is a lot of local hard drive space I need. (I use a SSD.) It's not like I have NSA secrets, but I would prefer my files not to be out in the wild should I lose my laptop. Could I use a local desktop at my house (or a server/NAS)? Sure but the same loss issue is in play.

    Perhaps just make the OneDrive password as strong as possible and hope for the best?

    Maybe put the data back locally, and somehow secure the data?

    Anyway, I am curious to know how everyone else deals with this issue. Do you feel you have a rock solid procedure? Or are you OK "sacrificing" certain areas?

    (In the spirit of the debate tonight) ... thanks for your time.



  • One other wrinkle here is I would like to find a solution that not only works for me, but also works for anyone who asks me how to back up their files.

    Might not be possible...



  • My final thought on this before comments ... a program that easily lets you sync from, say, OneDrive to Google Drive would be awesome here.



  • This looks pretty interesting...
    https://www.cloudhq.net

    If you're using regular GMail and Regular OneDrive, it looks like it'd be free. For GApps (G Suite, ugh... I feel dirty writing that) for Work or O365 accounts, it's $10 a month.

    It also works with Box, DropBox, and a few others as well.



  • @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    This looks pretty interesting...
    https://www.cloudhq.net

    If you're using regular GMail and Regular OneDrive, it looks like it'd be free. For GApps (G Suite, ugh... I feel dirty writing that) for Work or O365 accounts, it's $10 a month.

    It also works with Box, DropBox, and a few others as well.

    I did see that.

    I worry a little bit about third party app being involved but maybe it's just being paranoid.



  • @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    This looks pretty interesting...
    https://www.cloudhq.net

    If you're using regular GMail and Regular OneDrive, it looks like it'd be free. For GApps (G Suite, ugh... I feel dirty writing that) for Work or O365 accounts, it's $10 a month.

    It also works with Box, DropBox, and a few others as well.

    I did see that.

    I worry a little bit about third party app being involved but maybe it's just being paranoid.

    How is that any different than having your data on a 3rd Party Server like OneDrive?



  • @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    This looks pretty interesting...
    https://www.cloudhq.net

    If you're using regular GMail and Regular OneDrive, it looks like it'd be free. For GApps (G Suite, ugh... I feel dirty writing that) for Work or O365 accounts, it's $10 a month.

    It also works with Box, DropBox, and a few others as well.

    I did see that.

    I worry a little bit about third party app being involved but maybe it's just being paranoid.

    How is that any different than having your data on a 3rd Party Server like OneDrive?

    I trust Microsoft more than whoever cloudhq.net is?



  • @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    This looks pretty interesting...
    https://www.cloudhq.net

    If you're using regular GMail and Regular OneDrive, it looks like it'd be free. For GApps (G Suite, ugh... I feel dirty writing that) for Work or O365 accounts, it's $10 a month.

    It also works with Box, DropBox, and a few others as well.

    I did see that.

    I worry a little bit about third party app being involved but maybe it's just being paranoid.

    How is that any different than having your data on a 3rd Party Server like OneDrive?

    I trust Microsoft more than whoever cloudhq.net is?

    Understandable, lol.



  • When you say "Local Computer" do you mean a Laptop, or a Desktop?

    If it's a Desktop, then you should be able to add an external Drive and sync your OneDrive to that... and then back that up with CrashPlan.



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  • @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    When you say "Local Computer" do you mean a Laptop, or a Desktop?

    If it's a Desktop, then you should be able to add an external Drive and sync your OneDrive to that... and then back that up with CrashPlan.

    It could be a desktop.

    My concern with that is theft.

    I guess one could encrypt it with Bitlocker, but not sure if that's a bullet proof way either.



  • @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    When you say "Local Computer" do you mean a Laptop, or a Desktop?

    If it's a Desktop, then you should be able to add an external Drive and sync your OneDrive to that... and then back that up with CrashPlan.

    I don't know about Crashplan, but other online backup solutions cost rise pretty fast to include external drives.

    you could install a 5+ TB drive inside a machine that just sits in the corner syncing OD. Question, will the sync client automatically add any new content and folders added to OneDrive, or will you have to add them manually to be sync'ed locally then backed up.



  • @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    I guess one could encrypt it with Bitlocker, but not sure if that's a bullet proof way either.

    If you're worried about home break ins, Bitlocker should be more than enough. If you're worried about the three letter agencies, well, not sure what you should do.



  • @Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    I guess one could encrypt it with Bitlocker, but not sure if that's a bullet proof way either.

    If you're worried about home break ins, Bitlocker should be more than enough. If you're worried about the three letter agencies, well, not sure what you should do.

    Yeah all my stuff is above the law. 🙂



  • @Dashrender said

    I don't know about Crashplan, but other online backup solutions cost rise pretty fast to include external drives.

    Free with their service.

    Can also backup to other computers for free.


  • Banned

    OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

    For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.



  • @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

    For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.

    Crashplan works well for this.



  • @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

    For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.

    Crashplan works well for this.

    Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which

    a) requires an answer to my original question and
    b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locally


  • Banned

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

    For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.

    Crashplan works well for this.

    Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which

    a) requires an answer to my original question and
    b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locally

    if it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..

    At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.



  • @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @dafyre said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    OneDrive etc as a back the problem comes with malware, randsomeware and accidental deletion.

    For a backup you really want it disconnected from the system and read only.

    Crashplan works well for this.

    Yes, but you have to get the data onto your local machine, which

    a) requires an answer to my original question and
    b) goes against the policy of many here (such as @scottalanmiller) of not storing data locally

    if it's for home it doesn't really matter if you are storing it locally.. you don't for companies cause you want a central place to backup..

    At home my workstation laptop (Lenovo P70) is that central place. Crash Plan lets me backup unlimited data from one computer and I backup a lot.

    Hey I don't want people seeing all my stuff! 🙂



  • One thing you "could" do is make a tiny backup appliance at home, say with an Intel Nuc that runs Windows 10 Home and has OneDrive and syncs your files to a WD Red 3TB drive for super cheap. Then you CrashPlan that. Or BB it.



  • Apologies if this is a little bit "self promotion", but I may have a relevant article for this discussion: http://webreaktech.com/2016/10/03/archival-cloud-storage-can-be-an-affordable-backup-layer/

    Cheers to all!



  • @scottalanmiller said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    One thing you "could" do is make a tiny backup appliance at home, say with an Intel Nuc that runs Windows 10 Home and has OneDrive and syncs your files to a WD Red 3TB drive for super cheap. Then you CrashPlan that. Or BB it.

    Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)

    Also, we always preach that Office365 (with storage in SharePoint/ODfB) is the way to go for the majority of small business cases. What do we do about backups in that scenario? @scottalanmiller are you backing up your ODfB or Sharepoint or whatever you are using?

    I guess I am arguing (yet again) for storing data SOMEWHERE locally. And looking for an argument against it.


  • Banned

    Your average thief will see any kind of encryption and just toss or re-image the device.. It's risk vs reward. They want fast turn over and to get it out of their hands.



  • @Jason said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    Your average thief will see any kind of encryption and just toss or re-image the device.. It's risk vs reward. They want fast turn over and to get it out of their hands.

    Right, but there are two parts to this discussion.

    Security of the device (we all know once they have it, you can't guarantee security) ...
    and also the idea that you should keep no data local.

    I guess my biggest question is ... to those who say "keep no data local" ... how do you deal with backups?

    Know, as @JaredBusch has said many times, that OneDrive, etc., is SYNC not backup. Which I understand completely. I'm just wondering about those in the "no local data" camp, or those in the "move to O365 for data storage" camp ... what are you doing for backups?



  • @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)

    Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.

    Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.



  • @Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)

    Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer. Your normal home invasion thief is going to pull the power plug and run away with the device. Once the device is powered down like this, Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.

    Also having a small box like Scott mentions allows you to hide it pretty well too, an Intel NUC and an External HDD, can be hidden pretty easily - though getting power there could present it's own issue.

    I'm more interested in hearing how the "no local data" camp deals with this.

    IMO, this is a pretty big ML push ... no local data. No servers, and no data on the local machines.


  • Banned

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    I guess my biggest question is ... to those who say "keep no data local" ... how do you deal with backups?

    For personal setups it doesn't matter. Is there really any more security to your server in basement compared to your desktop?



  • @Dashrender said

    Bitlocker will protect your home made pornos, er I mean data.

    Damn, you figured me out.



  • @Dashrender said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    @BRRABill said in Another Personal Storage Discussion:

    Right, of course, but then my "concern" is the theft of that device. Are we comfortable with Bitlocker keeping it out of non-NSA hands? (AKA your average theif.)

    Bitlocker is currently still understood to be completely safe for its intended purpose. It protects a non hibernated/sleep moded powered off computer.

    It's really just "it protects machines when they've not been powered on and decrypted". No need for all of the descriptions of different powered on states.


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