CenturyLink, you so fancy!
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@BBigford said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
Honestly never used CenturyLink, but I think every ISP is pretty terrible on the residential side. I work for an ISP and that's why we don't do residential. It's the side where everyone loses.
I'm not sure I believe that - Google put in Google Fiber, mainly for residential - I can't believe that it's a complete loss leader for them to attempt to win on advertising.
The reality is that the ISPs are used to the old days of being a monopoly and making bucket loads of cash. This is no different than cable and phone companies.
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@Dashrender said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@BBigford said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
Honestly never used CenturyLink, but I think every ISP is pretty terrible on the residential side. I work for an ISP and that's why we don't do residential. It's the side where everyone loses.
I'm not sure I believe that - Google put in Google Fiber, mainly for residential - I can't believe that it's a complete loss leader for them to attempt to win on advertising.
The reality is that the ISPs are used to the old days of being a monopoly and making bucket loads of cash. This is no different than cable and phone companies.
So with regards to @BBigford comments about ISP's being pretty horrible I haven't had great service on either side of the coin, business or residential.
It works, but it's always been a pain to get help if service is down.
I've been waiting for over a year now for a small ISP called GreenLightNetworks to build into my area, and they are finally working on the final engineering for my neighborhood.
@Dashrender of course they aren't a monopoly, but the only other choice is to choose a solution that is many times slower than what cable offered.
DSL vs Cable sometimes you only have DSL as the choice. This of course it many times faster than dial up, but still.
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We had Century Link MPLS as well a while back (6 years now). On the technical side, no major issues, Level 1 tech support was a good/bad as any other carrier; I will say their communication during any outage we had was excellent though as I would get usually 2 hour or 4 hour updates without asking.
The billing side though was horrendous. We never and I mean NEVER got a correct bill. Had to fight their billing team every month as we were supposed to be on some sort of promotion were we got a loop discount on each site, it was NEVER applied to any of our bills, had to call them and get a correction each month. -
@Dashrender said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@BBigford said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
Honestly never used CenturyLink, but I think every ISP is pretty terrible on the residential side. I work for an ISP and that's why we don't do residential. It's the side where everyone loses.
I'm not sure I believe that - Google put in Google Fiber, mainly for residential - I can't believe that it's a complete loss leader for them to attempt to win on advertising.
The reality is that the ISPs are used to the old days of being a monopoly and making bucket loads of cash. This is no different than cable and phone companies.
In the majority of the US ISPs are still monopolises.
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So to give everyone a legal question, what is the only legal monopoly in the US?
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
So to give everyone a legal question, what is the only legal monopoly in the US?
Sirius XM Radio
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@pchiodo ha, but it is the only paid one.
And no, that isn't it.
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@pchiodo said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
So to give everyone a legal question, what is the only legal monopoly in the US?
Sirius XM Radio
That's in Space.
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The US Government is the only sanctioned monopoly in the US.
It's illegal to try to create another Government to rule over the US.
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@pchiodo ha, but it is the only paid one.
And no, that isn't it.
Are you thinking the post office and non-overnight letters? Still a "paid" service.
Frankly, there are quite a number of de facto monopolies, such as Mallinckodt (only legal supplier of cocaine). Or professional sports to some degree. Making and selling alcohol can be depending on the jurisdiction.
But I bet you're thinking the post office.
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
So to give everyone a legal question, what is the only legal monopoly in the US?
That's a trick question... but various ISPs have been accused of being a monopoly, wireless carriers in certain rural areas have been accused of monopolizing, even Wal*Mart has been accused in smaller towns.
There are no legal ones, but I would suppose the biggest one was nearly Comcast purchasing Time Warner. Until the FCC shut that down and Charter bought TW.
The current one though, at least in our state (aside from ISPs), is Uhaul. They're the only one in the business that offers various tiers of travel/trucks/mileage at a decent price. Other ones you can only move in town, can't move towns over.
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
The US Government is the only sanctioned monopoly in the US.
It's illegal to try to create another Government to rule over the US.
Haha, knew that was a trick question!
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
The US Government is the only sanctioned monopoly in the US.
It's illegal to try to create another Government to rule over the US.
Well, isn't this the case with all countries?
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@pchiodo Nope, with the post office you have UPS, DSL and FedEx.
So that isn't even close.
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@pchiodo said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
The US Government is the only sanctioned monopoly in the US.
It's illegal to try to create another Government to rule over the US.
Well, isn't this the case with all countries?
No, actually the US forbids it, in countries (and just pulling a name out of a hat) Cuba, can be over thrown and ruled by a new government at any time.
And will actually go to civil war levels to stop another "faction" from becoming the new government.
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@pchiodo said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
The US Government is the only sanctioned monopoly in the US.
It's illegal to try to create another Government to rule over the US.
Well, isn't this the case with all countries?
No, actually the US forbids it, in countries (and just pulling a name out of a hat) Cuba, can be over thrown and ruled by a new government at any time.
And will actually go to civil war levels to stop another "faction" from becoming the new government.
A law in this case is meaningless though. If the current government is overthrown, new laws would replace the old. So what difference does it make, other than perhaps you can't legally find a non violent way to change our government?
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@pchiodo Nope, with the post office you have UPS, DSL and FedEx.
So that isn't even close.
Absolutely not true. The USPS has a strict monopoly on non-overnight letters known commonly as First Class or Third Class mail. No one else can offer these services in the US by statute.
"an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail"
"Article I, section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution grants Congress the power to establish post offices and post roads, which has been interpreted as a de facto Congressional monopoly over the delivery of first class residential mail - which has been defined as non-urgent residential letters (not packages). Accordingly, no other system for delivering first class residential mail – public or private – has been tolerated, absent Congress's consent."
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@pchiodo You can overnight deliver a letter via fedex or UPS as well. Postage isn't a monopoly just because of a specific set of rules.
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We've had great service from all of our enterprise class providers. Centruylink was great as well, though they did have one outage caused by them replacing a border router and instead of putting the old one back when they saw it didn't work they keeped working on the new one's config for several hours before switching back.
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@DustinB3403 said in CenturyLink, you so fancy!:
@pchiodo You can overnight deliver a letter via fedex or UPS as well. Postage isn't a monopoly just because of a specific set of rules.
No other company is allowed to offer the same service as First Class Mail, which is what @pchiodo is focusing on here. Sure, you can send a letter with UPS and FedEx, but you won't get a service equivalent to the generic mail service most people are familiar with.
