Win10 File History giving me the fits!



  • Short story: hard drive died on a computer, replaced it and loaded up Win10.

    They had a USB drive connected to File History. The drive is completely full and I see the FileHistory folder on it and all the files from their last backup (sadly, over a month old by the time stamps).

    Regardless, I can't get Windows to recover from the previous backup. When I go to select the drive, that part works. When I use the "old" Control Panel to connect the drive, it actually SEES the old backup and tells me the correct timestamp of it. When I say to use it, everything seems to be fine.

    But then I go to the Restore Personal Files section and it just tells me "there isn't any history of your files, folders, or libraries."

    But of course there is history! It's on the drive, I see it, I see all the files with their file names edited with the time stamp, the drive connect wizard SHOWS me the old backup is there and I can connect to it.

    I don't know how else to get it to connect to the old backup and allow me to restore all the files.

    I really don't want to have to build some kind of crazy script to read every file and rename them and so forth. I just want File History to do what it's supposed to do! Connect to the old backup!

    Ideas?



  • Train users to store files on the network. Seriously though, nothing of any value should be stored locally on PCs. Isn't there a file share setup here?



  • As far as actually doing a recovery via system restore, I am not an expert. I haven't had to do a system restore in years, it just isn't something most businesses need to worry about since files are stored on the network.



  • The backup was a USB drive.
    Win10 installed fresh on a new hard drive.
    Connected USB and attempted to get FileHistory to connect to it for recovery. Not working.



  • said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    File History

    Was the comp running win8 before?



  • $0.02: In the future you'd be better off setting up a job in task scheduler to sync folders on the USB drive. That actually works, unlike windows integrated backup solutions (in my experience).



  • @MattSpeller said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    $0.02: In the future you'd be better off setting up a job in task scheduler to sync folders on the USB drive. That actually works, unlike windows integrated backup solutions (in my experience).

    Any business with critical files should at a minimum be using mirrored drives for storage. You can get a Buffalo NAS very inexpensively.



  • @IRJ said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    @MattSpeller said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    $0.02: In the future you'd be better off setting up a job in task scheduler to sync folders on the USB drive. That actually works, unlike windows integrated backup solutions (in my experience).

    Any business with critical files should at a minimum be using mirrored drives for storage. You can get a Buffalo NAS very inexpensively.

    Sometimes you gotta "run what you brung" as it were - but yeah, totally, there are a lot better solutions than USB HDD 😃



  • @MattSpeller said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    @IRJ said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    @MattSpeller said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    $0.02: In the future you'd be better off setting up a job in task scheduler to sync folders on the USB drive. That actually works, unlike windows integrated backup solutions (in my experience).

    Any business with critical files should at a minimum be using mirrored drives for storage. You can get a Buffalo NAS very inexpensively.

    Sometimes you gotta "run what you brung" as it were - but yeah, totally, there are a lot better solutions than USB HDD 😃

    This is alot cheaper and more reliable than playing russian roulette with data then paying an IT guy to fix it because you tried to save $150.

    https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9B-22-165-534&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBiz-PC--pla--Network+-+Storage-_-9B-22-165-534&gclid=CjwKEAjw97K_BRCwmNTK26iM-hMSJABrkNtb6bJNAnyFcDt3-tA9chhQOd-UNbKgiG3c_BUA2l12XhoCE73w_wcB



  • Right now this guy just wants his files recovered.

    I can't just copy them from the USB, it's hundreds of gigs and every single file has an appended timestamp on it.

    I need the FileHistory system to recovery them.



  • @guyinpv said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    Right now this guy just wants his files recovered.

    I can't just copy them from the USB, it's hundreds of gigs and every single file has an appended timestamp on it.

    I need the FileHistory system to recovery them.

    If it was win8 before you may require win8 to recover

    Was it out of disk space? (the USB)



  • Check out this section of the link "Restoring items to an alternate location"

    https://www.winhelp.us/file-history-in-windows-8.html



  • @MattSpeller

    The guy believes he did the Win10 free upgrade. And when I installed Win10 it didn't require a code or activation or any of that, it knew who I was and went through fine.

    I can't say about the Win8 question though. The backed up files are over a month old so I guess it's totally possible he did the backup set on Win8 and then upgraded Win10 after that. Maybe this is why it never started backing up new files?

    I haven't read anything about Win8/10 not being compatible though.



  • @guyinpv I've looked briefly and I can't see anything definitively stating there are compatibility issues between 8 and 10 with file history. It may just be something with the upgrade, could just be typical shitty windows backups failing. Wish I could offer better man. Upvoted the post for visibility.



  • @MattSpeller

    Thanks.

    Everything seems to work just fine, it sees the drive, sees the previous backup, seems to connect to it to use, but the Restore screen just says there is nothing to restore, and I see all the files on the USB drive.


  • Banned

    Just for fun.

    Try on an 8 machine.

    For goodness sake, slap the user for treating file history as a backup.



  • File History, is this a new name for Previous Versions?
    Yes I see it is.
    So it uses vss.
    Can you move the FileHistory folder to a network share/other storage, then move them back to this computer, then setup FileHistory again(or not).

    Or can you just copy the files/folders from the usb drive to the local hdd, then set it all up again



  • @Breffni-Potter

    To be fair, Win8/8.1/10 treats it as a backup. After all you go in settings and open "Backup" and that's what you see.

    Crazy after 72 years Microsoft still hasn't figured out a way to give Windows users a simple backup utility. Half my career is because Windows people never had good backup abilities. They never even figured they needed such things.


  • Banned

    @guyinpv said

    Crazy after 72 years Microsoft still hasn't figured out a way to give Windows users a simple backup utility.

    Since Windows 7 I've had the ability to backup system images or files with a built in utility and I've used it on numerous occasions.

    File history is a new beast using a different method. The original good working tool was still in Win 8.



  • File history is not a backup.



  • @JaredBusch said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    File history is not a backup.

    This is a very important point. For me to consider something a backup it must meet this criteria:

    It must have the ability to be restored independently from the original system. This means it cannot be dependent on a specific installation or hardware for the ability to restore. You should always be able to restore your backup to another system in case of a complete hardware failure.



  • @IRJ said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    @JaredBusch said in Win10 File History giving me the fits!:

    File history is not a backup.

    This is a very important point. For me to consider something a backup it must meet this criteria:

    It must have the ability to be restored independently from the original system. This means it cannot be dependent on a specific installation or hardware for the ability to restore. You should always be able to restore your backup to another system in case of a complete hardware failure.

    I agree. I call this decoupling and it goes a little farther. If the original system is destroyed it should not automatically take the "backup" with it.



  • I don't understand why FileHistory is not a backup.

    It is taking a file on your computer and copying it to a backup medium (network, USB, etc).

    Then depending on settings, when it sees a file has changed, it makes a new copy with a new time stamp. Could be hourly, daily, weekly, etc. It keeps all previous copies for full date-based rollback capabilities.

    It then can be set for when the older copies are deleted. Either a month's worth, or just when drive space is needed etc.

    The backed up files are not encrypted, compressed, or put in any weird format. They simply have a time stamp added to their file names.

    So far all this sounds like a backup to me.

    The only thing that is "proprietary" is the file stamp on the file name. Without the Windows tool to help strip these out and recover only newer files, a fancy script of some kind would have to be used to find the latest files, copy them out, and remove the time stamps.

    I used the Bulk Rename Utility to remove time stamps and just copied the files manually. If there had been numerous files with multiple time stamps, it would have made things much harder.



  • I think the reason this cant be called a backup is that it doesn't seem to want to work as one. In your OP, you state that you get an error when trying to restore these files because windows doesn't recognize them as restorable. This is probably because the FileHistory application requires some sort of metadata that only exists/existed on the original system drive, which is now gone.

    I imagine this FileHistory feature will go down as something to be avoided at all costs, like mobsync.exe

    Previous versions I liked. A lot. At least for Windows file shares. This FileHisotry seems like a pain, for you at least. I didn't even know it existed until this thread.



  • @guyinpv because it is not a backup. it is a copy of a file. And only files that were modified. If you never changed a file, it will not be there.

    FFS this is not rocket science. this is basic definitions.

    From my Windows 10 R1607 desktop.
    0_1475261515656_upload-09ebfdd1-0fde-4990-bf8c-11ba2e9c4dff



  • Windows backup
    0_1475261596010_upload-32bacd49-e14b-41ac-b8c2-513c4db115fa
    0_1475261614621_upload-c2e1f409-e041-4502-843d-01cf9a5428da
    0_1475261642140_upload-f9ad5b3c-00b5-4111-9836-8ffb68acc1f6

    No more screenshots because I am not going to set it up just to point out the full solution for you.



  • @JaredBusch
    I think your "definitions" are getting a little mixed up.

    If someone creates a "system image" backup, it's really only meant to restore the entire image to the same computer. This breaks early definition that we should be able to restore any file to any computer, or different computer.
    I suppose there is probably a method of extracting just files out of an image, from another machine.

    Second it didn't just backup files that were "modified". Apparently when he turned on FileHistory, it backed up everything. Unless you're suggesting he immediately "changed" 58,000 files after turning it on?

    And since you're talking about "basic definitions", I think "copy of a file" is a nice basic definition....a copy of a file, on some other media. If I had no other backup options whatsoever, I would at least hope for copies of files!

    I don't think FileHistory is perfect by any means, nor have I ever suggested anybody use it. But to the uninformed, when you go in Windows 10 to the "backup" section, this is what they present to people, who will likely NOT go find the little link at the bottom left of the page for the "real" backup, nor understand the difference between the "real" backup and the "fake kinda-backup sorta" thing.

    Lastly, despite your condescension, FileHistory DID give them month old files, and without it, they would have nothing whatsoever. So I'll take THAT backup option any day over not having any files at all! I'm glad this person at least turned it on, they were trying, God love them, and they got their files back.



  • @guyinpv a copy is not a backup. Others have told you what a backup is.

    The system image link, as the screenshot shows, does the system image and user space files.

    That the file history makes an immediate copy is great. I do not believe it did that in Windows 7, which is the only time I have used it.


  • Banned

    A true backup is read only and can not be [easily] modified. Otherwise it's replication.


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