SNHU


  • Banned

    Is SNHU respected? I'm looking to go back part time to get a cyber security degree.

    http://www.snhu.edu/



  • Is any university these days?

    Why not go for certifications instead?



  • Tagging @IRJ as he may have some direct insight on this.

    Of course - so will @scottalanmiller



  • They have a campus. In the previous thread we were talking more about for-profit schools that are online only, like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech. I'm not saying having a campus makes them respectable, look at most Texas colleges for example, but it's a good step in the right direction.



  • @Dashrender said in SNHU:

    Is any university these days?

    Why not go for certifications instead?

    Go for certs not a degree. Much cheaper and that is what employers want.

    OSCP looks like a good cert.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/10815/security-certification-path



  • Very reasonably priced at $800 which includes the class and the certification.



  • I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.



  • @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    I dropped out of my master's program for the same reason.


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    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    This is what it comes down to. Where are you trying to go with it. Government jobs often require the degree. Private sector is better off with the cert.


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    @JaredBusch said in SNHU:

    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    This is what it comes down to. Where are you trying to go with it. Government jobs often require the degree. Private sector is better off with the cert.

    Bigger companies are starting to only higher with Degrees. Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.


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    @Dashrender said in SNHU:

    Is any university these days?

    Yes, just not the ones many IT people are using.


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    @IRJ said in SNHU:

    Very reasonably priced at $800 which includes the class and the certification.

    WTH the exam last 24hrs straight?


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    SNHU is private, non-profit, 1932, accredited. So pretty decent at a high level for a "not well known" school. This would generally fall into the category of "generic real colleges" for hiring managers. It's private which isn't ideal, but is very common. That's mostly a factor for money for you, not a factor for hiring managers. It's an established (1932), non-profit "real" college. But it has no reputation (that I know of) which most schools do not, so that's not a huge deal. But you lack the benefits of a Harvard, RIT, SUNY or other "reputation bearing" school, but it also has no bad marks because no one knows it either. It's not an online school so you are fine there as well.


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    @Jason said in SNHU:

    @JaredBusch said in SNHU:

    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    This is what it comes down to. Where are you trying to go with it. Government jobs often require the degree. Private sector is better off with the cert.

    Bigger companies are starting to only higher with Degrees. Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.

    This is marketing BS from people with degrees. It's totally, 100% a lie. It's not just false, it's the opposite of everything we see. Degrees are losing value, not gaining it. No company can take itself seriously requiring a degree, sure there are those that do, but the level of shame associated with that requirement just keeps growing and growing.


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    @Jason said in SNHU:

    Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.

    I'd like some proof of that. GE doesn't carry a good reputation and I don't know people who have worked there (nor any that ever wanted to) but this sounds absurd. No company has that kind of requirement, certainly not a large one. Someone is pulling your leg. The things that the "pro-university" crowd are willing to spread as rumours are getting bolder and bolder. I guarantee you that people without degrees are applying and getting hired at GE.


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    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    Exactly. School gets your further, faster... but if your goal is really low end work like government or horrible "hiring for the middle" large businesses then school is what you need. It depends on your goals...

    http://www.smbitjournal.com/2016/07/finding-a-job-or-finding-the-job/


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    @IRJ said in SNHU:

    Go for certs not a degree. Much cheaper and that is what better employers want.

    I list it this way...

    Best Employers want to see demonstrable skills, or aptitude.
    Better Employers want to see certs and such.
    Lowest Employers want to see degrees.

    Certs are a better gauge that a degree, and both are substitutes for being able to evaluate a candidate yourself. College shows zero skills, training or aptitude but only shows that you are part of a club that generally includes the hiring manager. So only those places with questionable ethics will use degrees as a hard limit. It means, guaranteed, that either your hiring process treats degrees unethically OR, more likely, that they consider the people that they hire so poor that certs and skills are out of their reach.


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    @coliver said in SNHU:

    They have a campus. In the previous thread we were talking more about for-profit schools that are online only, like University of Phoenix and ITT Tech. I'm not saying having a campus makes them respectable, look at most Texas colleges for example, but it's a good step in the right direction.

    Bwahahaha. University of Texas, anyone?


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    So in summary, not sure what made SNHU look like a great option, but it seems like a fine one if the price and program meet your needs. I always tell people to take a peek at SUNY Empire and SUNY Poly before making a decision. NTG looks at these two, along with SUNY Binghamton, more favourably than most schools. And they can be pretty affordable.



  • @Jason said in SNHU:

    @IRJ said in SNHU:

    Very reasonably priced at $800 which includes the class and the certification.

    WTH the exam last 24hrs straight?

    Yes, you must hack a lab and submit a penetration testing report. There are no multiple choice questions. That is your exam.



  • @Jason said in SNHU:

    @JaredBusch said in SNHU:

    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    This is what it comes down to. Where are you trying to go with it. Government jobs often require the degree. Private sector is better off with the cert.

    Bigger companies are starting to only higher with Degrees. Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.

    Just starting - as in 10 years ago started this practice?



  • @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    Degrees are losing value, not gaining it. No company can take itself seriously requiring a degree, sure there are those that do,

    Yet, so many of them do. I think Scott just has the convenience of by passing HR, because companies seek him out, not the other way around.



  • @IRJ said in SNHU:

    @Jason said in SNHU:

    @IRJ said in SNHU:

    Very reasonably priced at $800 which includes the class and the certification.

    WTH the exam last 24hrs straight?

    Yes, you must hack a lab and submit a penetration testing report. There are no multiple choice questions. That is your exam.

    That's awesome!


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    @Dashrender said in SNHU:

    @Jason said in SNHU:

    @JaredBusch said in SNHU:

    @Kelly said in SNHU:

    I guess the question is, will a degree get your further, faster, cheaper than another avenue. And do you want to work for government and/or manage? I recently advised one of my staff to seriously evaluate if he should stay in school due to the debt/value ratio for his bachelor's degree.

    This is what it comes down to. Where are you trying to go with it. Government jobs often require the degree. Private sector is better off with the cert.

    Bigger companies are starting to only higher with Degrees. Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.

    Just starting - as in 10 years ago started this practice?

    No, just starting like ten years in the future - because it hasn't happened yet ;)


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    @Jason said in SNHU:

    Heck General Electric will only higher people (no matter the job) with Bachelors degrees.

    GE explicitly says that this is not true. They sometimes require degrees, but often require none.

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/career/a51760/interview-insider-ge-career-jobs/

    And yes, GE is the kind of company that does their interviews in Cosmo. Following along with being a "hires people who read Cosmo" kind of company, they also make a big deal about expecting candidates to have LinkedIn. Really?

    Cosmo and LinkedIn.... these are the traits you would share with your coworkers.

    All to work at a company's whose top claim to fame is stealing from its workers and lying about the source of its ideas.



  • @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    All to work at a company's whose top claim to fame is stealing from its workers and lying about the source of its ideas.

    Oh, wow... I laughed a bit too hard at this.


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    @coliver said in SNHU:

    @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    All to work at a company's whose top claim to fame is stealing from its workers and lying about the source of its ideas.

    Oh, wow... I laughed a bit too hard at this.

    Is that funnier than doing an interview in Cosmo?



  • @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    @coliver said in SNHU:

    @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    All to work at a company's whose top claim to fame is stealing from its workers and lying about the source of its ideas.

    Oh, wow... I laughed a bit too hard at this.

    Is that funnier than doing an interview in Cosmo?

    About equal. It's even funnier because, from my understanding, most of their business is B2B and not B2C.


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    @coliver said in SNHU:

    @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    @coliver said in SNHU:

    @scottalanmiller said in SNHU:

    All to work at a company's whose top claim to fame is stealing from its workers and lying about the source of its ideas.

    Oh, wow... I laughed a bit too hard at this.

    Is that funnier than doing an interview in Cosmo?

    About equal. It's even funnier because, from my understanding, most of their business is B2B and not B2C.

    That's correct, nearly all of it. Some of their biggest stuff is making generators (like nuclear) and crazy stuff like that that no person could buy. Most anything with the name GE on it isn't made by GE but is just labeled that as part of a branding deal. The label "GE" on consumer goods is similar to RCA... generic garbage.


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    @coliver said in SNHU:

    About equal. It's even funnier because, from my understanding, most of their business is B2B and not B2C.

    It is a lot of my family works there. They do Wind Turbines, windmills, Solar panels etc mostly now days. Some Oil and gas stuff

    But not sure why that article says that outside of manufacturing that do not like hiring without degrees. even in manufacturing an associates is wanted.


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