RRAS vs. everything
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@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller So if I am getting FIOS I can use the ER-X instead of the FIOS router supplied by Frontier?
Correct. But it depends how you had it wired. What line is going into the Frontier box? Frontier does direct Ethernet, but might add a cable line just to mess with you.
An ER-X is an all ethernet router... that should answer any questions about it. It's not a cable bridge. But if you have cable with FiOS, then you have two bridges going on just to trick you. As FiOS doesn't come over cable and has no reason to be provided as cable.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@thwr said in RRAS vs. everything:
I thought about deploying RRAS for my now "six-feet-under" UAG, but I didn't want to buy new licenses and CALs. So I've went for SoftEther, a multiprotocol VPN server. The administration is a bit odd, but once you get used to it...
There are a few pitfalls: You can't use AD authentication when running on a Linux host, for example. RADIUS can help here.
From what I can tell from the few days I'm running it, SoftEther is doing a good job and works pretty well with the built-in Windows SSTP client.
PS: I've choosed SoftEther because it was the only available Linux SSTP server. SSTP was a hard requirement.
That's an interesting requirement. How old of Windows are they running? Doesn't Windows 8 and newer support IPSec VPN?
SSTP can connect even in most restrictive environments, because it just needs TCP/443.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
i.e. where is the dmark that converts from fiber to ethernet? Shouldn't be more than 100 m from YOUR router.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable? -
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?Well, CAT5e and Fiber, is one set of terms. Copper vs fiber? Not sure what you are looking for. Ethernet comes equally over copper and fiber.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?
Outside, CAT5e or CAT6 is what runs into the house.
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But there is no ethernet to ethernet conversion that I know of, I believe that it is ethernet over fiber coming to the outside already.
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So the Fiber terminates on the outside of the house? Then the carrier converts the fiber into copper and drops a line inside the house?
Relating this to cable TV that uses Fiber.
There is a fiber hut in my neighborhood. From that hut there is a coax run to my house. It's possible that run goes straight from the fiber hut into a splitter inside my house, but more often I see a junction box on the ouside of the house where the coax is cut a joining plug is put between the cable that was in the ground, then the joiner, then another piece that runs into the house.
So I would assume the same goes for FIOS. The fiber isn't running through the ground/overhead directly into the house plugged directly into the home owner's equipment - it's typically converted to copper somewhere - where is that conversion?
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?At the cable company I worked at we used Calix. So inside their house we had an ONT. Fiber went directly to the ONT and then ethernet from there.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
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@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
Correct... keep reading
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@travisdh1 said in RRAS vs. everything:
@JaredBusch said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@alex.olynyk said in RRAS vs. everything:
I know this is off-topic but for those of you using Ubiquiti ER-X for your home router, does that replace your cable/FIOS router?
Yes it does.
No it doesn't
Correct... keep reading
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@stacksofplates said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?At the cable company I worked at we used Calix. So inside their house we had an ONT. Fiber went directly to the ONT and then ethernet from there.
LOL you use ethernet like I do - to describe copper. But as Scott properly pointed out earlier, the ethernet protocol works over both copper and fiber.
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@stacksofplates said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Is the FIOS box similar to a plain cable modem with no other features, or is it at least an option?
Yes, you can OPTIONALLY get a ridiculous and useless bridge just to be weird. ANd people do all the time.
Where does FIOS terminate the ethernet? the box outside your house?
Yes, it's ethernet to the box, and ethernet to the house. Fiber can carry ethernet to the doorstep now, no need for something different.
You've lost me, and now I'm at a loss for the correct words - what is the CAT5e, etc cabling called versus the fiber cable? Fiber of course can be miles or more long.. but CAT 5e, etc definitely can't be.
The ER-X only supports RJ45 plugs... so where does the cable convert from fiber to CAT5e, etc cable?At the cable company I worked at we used Calix. So inside their house we had an ONT. Fiber went directly to the ONT and then ethernet from there.
Perfect... so the fiber to copper convertor is on or in the customer house.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
So the Fiber terminates on the outside of the house? Then the carrier converts the fiber into copper and drops a line inside the house?
Yes, it's Ethernet over CAT5e (or 6, no idea) to the end user. Nothing but CAT5e Ethernet is ever delivered. You never get fiber, that would be a disaster of people breaking things. Anything other than CAT5e is just ridiculously silly as they have to translate to all kinds of protocols and media for no reason and just make things expensive and slow.
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Relating this to cable TV that uses Fiber.
Well, that would be fiber TV. Cable TV is called Cable TV because it comes over a cable. You don't call Satellite TV, Cable TV over Satellite.
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@scottalanmiller said in RRAS vs. everything:
@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
Relating this to cable TV that uses Fiber.
Well, that would be fiber TV. Cable TV is called Cable TV because it comes over a cable. You don't call Satellite TV, Cable TV over Satellite.
touche!
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@Dashrender said in RRAS vs. everything:
So I would assume the same goes for FIOS. The fiber isn't running through the ground/overhead directly into the house plugged directly into the home owner's equipment - it's typically converted to copper somewhere - where is that conversion?
Conversion is AT THE HOUSE. Can't legally call it fiber and not deliver fiber. This is pretty straight forward. ALL Internet, even satellite, is on fiber on the back bone. What a service is called is based on what is delivered to your door, not what runs "somewhere else that you don't get."
When you get FiOS, you get... FiOS. It's that simple. That's why it is called "fiber to the door" not "fiber somewhere else." It's literally fiber right to your house.
