OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?



  • What are the current best options for self-hosted file sync?

    I have tried both Own and Next in a quick home lab setup and found both to be somewhat buggy and even annoying.

    What I need is extreme robustness of the core feature of file syncing, with robust clients on all platforms. Wingdings and feature bloat need not apply.

    It's main purpose is to replace needing paid options of other competitors like Box and OneDrive, etc. Most of the syncing is in-office with only a few mobiles or tablets that might want access outside. One computer at another location would connect as well.



  • Aren't they the same thing? What was buggy about it? I have had no issues with it.



  • @wirestyle22 said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Aren't they the same thing? What was buggy about it? I have had no issues with it.

    Supposedly NextCloud is like the evolution of OwnCloud. A fork by an original OwnCloud creator/owner or something like that. The give the impression like they are the evolution and future of where OwnCloud left off.

    Regardless, I found the systems buggy in that parts of features simply didn't work. Interface didn't respond. Things like the entire photo album thing would simply not load at all. Adding a plugin feature wouldn't work.

    I did say it was a quick home lab test so maybe there was a handful of optimizing and additional setup tasks or something on the server side? I don't know.

    Mainly I'm wondering if these are really the only option for self-hosted cloud or if there are other robust options for file-sync beside those.



  • @guyinpv I'm not sure if they are, but did you build it based on @JaredBusch 's guide? I did and everything was working very well.



  • I'm Running NextCloud here, and ownCloud before that. I've never had any issues at all with them that I can recall. My interaction with the web interface is generally just admin stuff / creating users.



  • @wirestyle22 said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv I'm not sure if they are, but did you build it based on @JaredBusch 's guide? I did and everything was working very well.

    I'm sure I just followed whatever guide was at the main website.



  • @dafyre said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    I'm Running NextCloud here, and ownCloud before that. I've never had any issues at all with them that I can recall. My interaction with the web interface is generally just admin stuff / creating users.

    How many users? How many client devices and which OSes?

    Our main problem with all cloud sync are those darn sync collisions where someone forgets to close something or someone else opens it before it fully syncs over, etc. We deal with a lot of annoying duplicate files created in Box due to sync issues. And the Windows client is always dyning, closing itself, quits syncing even though it's still running. Or it quits but leaves the icon in system tray. Just weird stuff. Not robust enough.
    I've tried OneDrive, Sync, Google Drive, and more.

    Honestly I haven't found a sync tool I like. Ain't that nuts!



  • @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @dafyre said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    I'm Running NextCloud here, and ownCloud before that. I've never had any issues at all with them that I can recall. My interaction with the web interface is generally just admin stuff / creating users.

    How many users? How many client devices and which OSes?

    Our main problem with all cloud sync are those darn sync collisions where someone forgets to close something or someone else opens it before it fully syncs over, etc. We deal with a lot of annoying duplicate files created in Box due to sync issues. And the Windows client is always dyning, closing itself, quits syncing even though it's still running. Or it quits but leaves the icon in system tray. Just weird stuff. Not robust enough.
    I've tried OneDrive, Sync, Google Drive, and more.

    Honestly I haven't found a sync tool I like. Ain't that nuts!

    With any sync tool, you'll run into the sync collisions... that's just the nature of the beast, I think.

    My Nextcloud instance is a personal one, so only 3 users, but we have 2 phones, and 3 laptops. I don't have anything too complicated going on with it. Just serving as a sync system for a few family users.


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    Pydio has been around.



  • I think SeaFile is around as well.



  • Using Owncloud here for over 50 users, no problems.



  • @Jstear said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Using Owncloud here for over 50 users, no problems.

    What does it run on? A VM? Linux? What version? x32 or x64?



  • Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!



  • @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.


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    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    ownCloud/NextCloud is feature poor? What? You obviously are not doing something right.



  • @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    What are comparing it to? Nextcloud can do file sharing without issues. It can also integrate with LibreOffice online.



  • @JaredBusch said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    ownCloud/NextCloud is feature poor? What? You obviously are not doing something right.

    Compared to business class OneDrive, Box, MediaFire. Yes. But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    If NextCloud is the current goto standard, I'll give it another go.



  • @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @JaredBusch said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    ownCloud/NextCloud is feature poor? What? You obviously are not doing something right.

    Compared to business class OneDrive, Box, MediaFire. Yes. But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    If NextCloud is the current goto standard, I'll give it another go.

    Nextcloud hadn't been out for a year. It matches pretty much everything that OneDrive and the others can do what do you think is missing?



  • @guyinpv As I mentioned, the installs are still relatively new but they are working flawlessly. The desktop sync clients haven't skipped a beat (can't say the same for OneDrive For Business desktop clients which I had to remove and reinstall a half dozen times because they always locked up), Easy to manage admin interface. Love the ability to autotag files that are uploaded. Built-in file access controls. Built-in retention (I've got it set to autotag for one user so that uploaded files are automatically deleted after 5 days). The built-in letsencrypt process (for Ubuntu) is the most painless way of managing and renewing SSL certs. Who cares that I have to run the renew script once every 3 months...it's literally a single line of code to renew.

    You're looking for self-hosted file sharing and sync? This is exactly what this does.



  • @coliver said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @JaredBusch said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    ownCloud/NextCloud is feature poor? What? You obviously are not doing something right.

    Compared to business class OneDrive, Box, MediaFire. Yes. But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    If NextCloud is the current goto standard, I'll give it another go.

    Nextcloud hadn't been out for a year. It matches pretty much everything that OneDrive and the others can do what do you think is missing?

    True, at that time it would have been OwnCloud. I found many of the features broken, such as the plugin system, photo galleries, and more.

    One thing I like is changing sharing type and permissions. For example share page, read-only, direct link, temp limits, etc.
    I liked file upload boxes in MediaFire, I could give someone a link and they could upload to ME in a folder.
    I like the history features, showing who made last changes, and going back in revisions.
    I like audit logs about activities, and a good trash bin system.

    I mainly just wanted to know what everybody is using. I can't really argue about features since I last tried OwnCloud a year ago. I'm sure they've improved since then.



  • @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @coliver said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @JaredBusch said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @NashBrydges said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Running Nextcloud (1x v9.0.53 and 1 x v10) at two clients. They're recent setups but so far they really love them. Both running as VMs in hyper-v. Included in the Veeam backups (tested restores and they work) so all in all, I'm quite happy with Nextcloud!

    What is to love about it?

    Not being facetious, just thought they were quite feature-poor compared to most other common offerings.

    ownCloud/NextCloud is feature poor? What? You obviously are not doing something right.

    Compared to business class OneDrive, Box, MediaFire. Yes. But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    If NextCloud is the current goto standard, I'll give it another go.

    Nextcloud hadn't been out for a year. It matches pretty much everything that OneDrive and the others can do what do you think is missing?

    True, at that time it would have been OwnCloud. I found many of the features broken, such as the plugin system, photo galleries, and more.

    One thing I like is changing sharing type and permissions. For example share page, read-only, direct link, temp limits, etc.
    I liked file upload boxes in MediaFire, I could give someone a link and they could upload to ME in a folder.
    I like the history features, showing who made last changes, and going back in revisions.
    I like audit logs about activities, and a good trash bin system.

    I mainly just wanted to know what everybody is using. I can't really argue about features since I last tried OwnCloud a year ago. I'm sure they've improved since then.

    All of those but the upload box were available more then a year ago. We're working on getting OneDrive for business setup for us because it is included with our O365.


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    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    Proof that you are talking out your backside. Because:

    @coliver said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Nextcloud hadn't been out for a year.

    NextCloud is a fork of ownCloud 9. If you want to know more about that, search the forum here. The devs posted immediately when it happened.

    NextCloud is supposed to now have a RPM based install method, but I have been too busy to test it out. If they have that worked out, then it will become my new recommendation. If they have not, then I will still recommend ownCloud for people that do not want to manually maintain everything.

    NextCloud is riding the fork wave right now and is seeing rapid feature improvement and such. Time will tell if that momentum stays.



  • @JaredBusch said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    But I haven't tried NextCloud in probably a year, hence the question about the current state of things.

    Proof that you are talking out your backside. Because:

    @coliver said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Nextcloud hadn't been out for a year.

    NextCloud is a fork of ownCloud 9. If you want to know more about that, search the forum here. The devs posted immediately when it happened.

    NextCloud is supposed to now have a RPM based install method, but I have been too busy to test it out. If they have that worked out, then it will become my new recommendation. If they have not, then I will still recommend ownCloud for people that do not want to manually maintain everything.

    NextCloud is riding the fork wave right now and is seeing rapid feature improvement and such. Time will tell if that momentum stays.

    Notice how I said "probably a year"?

    Sorry if I didn't have it memorized the exact date and time NextCloud was released. I'm well aware it's a fork and read all about it when it happened.

    I suggest you quit trolling me for a few minutes, lol

    If it makes you happy again, I'm going to give Next a try and see what happens. New year, new server, new environment.

    Thread over.



  • @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    @Jstear said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Using Owncloud here for over 50 users, no problems.

    What does it run on? A VM? Linux? What version? x32 or x64?

    CentOS 7 x64 VM


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    Personal preference for OwnCloud here.



  • We have had production ownCloud running for a few months and havent had any issues.

    Centos 7 VM on Hyper-V


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    @zuphzuph said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Personal preference for OwnCloud here.

    You've used both? What do you feel makes ownCloud better?


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    @guyinpv said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    If NextCloud is the current goto standard, I'll give it another go.

    It's early, but seems to be the case. ownCloud was doing great, but had some issues with the latest (9th) generation of releases. Why they were having issues was clear when NextCloud split from them and started a new product with the forked code base and original developers (which kind of makes ownCloud the dead fork of NextCloud ideologically speaking) and now NextCloud is a full release past ownCloud. It's getting tons of features and work that OC lost even before the split. They are still rough around the edges, so the final verdict isn't in yet, but it's looking like NC is the future.



  • Is there any real advantage to nextcloud vs owncloud?

    Is there any real reason to switch from owncloud to nextcloud?

    Also will my theme modifications stay if I migrate?



  • @IRJ said in OwnCloud or NextCloud etc?:

    Is there any real advantage to nextcloud vs owncloud?

    Is there any real reason to switch from owncloud to nextcloud?

    Also will my theme modifications stay if I migrate?

    Support is the reason to go with NextCloud. Unsure about theme.


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