Iran Creates Domestic Internet
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Aren't most "internets" domestic by design (i.e. hosted by the carriers within a country) with peering points to other countries and their carrier's systems?
There is only one Internet (one of the reasons why the AP is clearly confused that they no longer capitalize it) and it is from the US DARPA. Iran is making the first national internet (small i important) that is not part of the US DARPA network.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
At what point do they just disconnect from the global internet?
Not being subject to American control and oversight, not being easily exposed to outside actors, total control over content allowing them to have laws about what is legal and appropriate to have online and actually be able to enforce it.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
At what point do they just disconnect from the global internet?
Aren't most "internets" domestic by design (i.e. hosted by the carriers within a country) with peering points to other countries and their carrier's systems?of course in some, perhaps many, there are carriers who have systems in multiple countries making the lines a bit more fuzzy, but those parts of those companies are bound by the laws of those countries (even though places like the US are trying to make them follow US law in other countries - that's another discussion).
I think this more along the lines of a national intranet, similar to China or North Korea. From the article:
The government says the goal is to create an isolated domestic intranet that can be used to promote Islamic content and raise digital awareness among the public.
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Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.
So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.
So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?
They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.
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@coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.
So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?
They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.
Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.
So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?
They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.
Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.
I believe that is the goal, to essentially have a 100% controlled government service. To which if you want access, you'll be using their pipe.
With a VPN, you might still be able to encrypt the traffic, but all outbound request to "banned content" would be geoip blocked etc.
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Where control is key this fits like a glove...
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@zuphzuph said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Where control is key this fits like a glove...
Exactly. And it's not just control over what people can access, it's also protecting them from outside bad actors, knowing where attacks come from, etc. There are lots of good points to it, not just questionable ones. And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@coliver said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Awww.. OK this is basically like the old AOL network.
So again I ask, at what point will they disallow their citizens access to the Internet?
They kind of already do. They have disallowed access to "western" social media and have a group of filters in place to "protect" users from western influences.
Sure, but the article also indicates that VPNs can penetrate it get access anyhow. So the creation of this internet assuming they can provide enough services, will allow them to completely disconnect from the world at large, totally cutting off those services.
I believe that is the goal, to essentially have a 100% controlled government service. To which if you want access, you'll be using their pipe.
With a VPN, you might still be able to encrypt the traffic, but all outbound request to "banned content" would be geoip blocked etc.
Banned content? Where would that come from? A VPN would be totally visible and they'd just shut down banned content.
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@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@zuphzuph said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Where control is key this fits like a glove...
Exactly. And it's not just control over what people can access, it's also protecting them from outside bad actors, knowing where attacks come from, etc. There are lots of good points to it, not just questionable ones. And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
Yep, there's a lot of crap, out there on the internet, and if you want to keep that away, then it's a good option .. But ofcourse, there's a flip-side to this, as pointed above
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@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...
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@Veet said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...
I would assume so, but not sure that it is realistic and would cause all kinds of problems.
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@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Veet said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...
I would assume so, but not sure that it is realistic and would cause all kinds of problems.
If the Internet can traverse this new internet, don't you still have all the same dangers? Sure, the IRAN run internet can do it's own blocking at it's gateways/peering points, but then again, so can your ISP, and your ISP's ISP. So that protection seems like a red herring.
Creating this internet only serves one ultimate goal that I can see, total control of content. Sure they are doing it today, but what stops them from doing it tomorrow?
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
Sure someone could encrypt the traffic before it leaves their personal network or system. But it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't be able to collect enough information to decrypt the traffic eventually.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
If the Internet can traverse this new internet, don't you still have all the same dangers?
Yup, but it can't. So that solves that.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
No purpose in that. That's a very, very expensive way to do what you can do already when you own the switch. The bridge (there are no modems since the 1990s) is just extra hardware without a purpose in a modern roll out. They can't get more data there than they already have from owning the full network.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
Sure someone could encrypt the traffic before it leaves their personal network or system. But it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't be able to collect enough information to decrypt the traffic eventually.
Right, they will always know where the traffic is going, end to end. And that's if they even allow VPN connections.
