How much notice to give an employer?
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@scottalanmiller said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@MattSpeller said in How much notice to give an employer?:
Fairly typical in IT to get walked out immediately after giving notice so I'd say give them as much as you can. They have to pay you out for it.
I don't know many good shops that walk you out. That's very much a mom and pop shop thing to do.
I know they do that in the defense industry.
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@travisdh1 said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
If you're in the US, that is highly illegal. Nothing different that stealing your wallet.
It's actually not. They only pay for earned time that is over 120hrs.
Read more here on point 3: https://www.workplacefairness.org/final-pay#3
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@Carnival-Boy said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks? Blimey! That doesn't give the company much time to organise a replacement, does it? In the UK, at least a month is standard for salaried employees. In my last job I had to give 3 months notice.
Had to, as in it is the law? Or did you have an employment contract stating you had to give 3 months notice?
What if you just walked in and quit, could they somehow force you to work 3 months?
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@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@travisdh1 said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
If you're in the US, that is highly illegal. Nothing different that stealing your wallet.
It's actually not. They only pay for earned time that is over 120hrs.
Read more here on point 3: https://www.workplacefairness.org/final-pay#3
I didn't see anything in there about 120 hours, only a listing of states where paying accrued vacation is state law. I'm guessing you're not in one of those states?
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@Dashrender said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@travisdh1 said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
If you're in the US, that is highly illegal. Nothing different that stealing your wallet.
It's actually not. They only pay for earned time that is over 120hrs.
Read more here on point 3: https://www.workplacefairness.org/final-pay#3
I didn't see anything in there about 120 hours, only a listing of states where paying accrued vacation is state law. I'm guessing you're not in one of those states?
Yes, I'm not. Scott was saying it's federal law which it's not.
120hrs isn't law just our company policy.
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@Dashrender said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Carnival-Boy said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks? Blimey! That doesn't give the company much time to organise a replacement, does it? In the UK, at least a month is standard for salaried employees. In my last job I had to give 3 months notice.
Had to, as in it is the law? Or did you have an employment contract stating you had to give 3 months notice?
What if you just walked in and quit, could they somehow force you to work 3 months?
It was in my contract. If I'd have just walked they could have sued me, though in reality this rarely happens as it's not worth the time and effort for the employer (unless I went to a competitor). More likely I'd just get a bad reference.
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@Carnival-Boy said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Dashrender said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Carnival-Boy said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks? Blimey! That doesn't give the company much time to organise a replacement, does it? In the UK, at least a month is standard for salaried employees. In my last job I had to give 3 months notice.
Had to, as in it is the law? Or did you have an employment contract stating you had to give 3 months notice?
What if you just walked in and quit, could they somehow force you to work 3 months?
It was in my contract. If I'd have just walked they could have sued me, though in reality this rarely happens as it's not worth the time and effort for the employer (unless I went to a competitor). More likely I'd just get a bad reference.
I've had contracts like this, and they can be enforced, but according to my attorney in the US (not because I was looking to breach a contract, but because we've had to cover a lot of contract employment law in general) it's only viable if the employee is paid a significant amount above market value in order to justify the lack of free will employment - basically enough money that a court will say that they are so rich that employment protections aren't applicable. So like if you are normally $150K/year and in order to sign this contract you were given an additional $50K just to force you to give that warning does it actually apply and anyone earning under, say $90K, would never be applicable.
UK, no idea.
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@Carnival-Boy said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks? Blimey! That doesn't give the company much time to organise a replacement, does it? In the UK, at least a month is standard for salaried employees. In my last job I had to give 3 months notice.
Companies are required to have necessary plans in place. You can hire low end positions in a day, if you need to. High end positions, it's the company's own fault if they don't have a contingency plan. If you can't live without one key employee while you hire a replacement, how did you handle vacation time, weekends, holidays, work overages, sick time, maternity/paternity leave, family leave, etc? If you can't handle losing someone with two weeks notice, it implies you were mistreating that employee anyway.
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@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
The trick there, because that is legal, is that you are protected and have the right to take that time. For example, if the company owes you 30 days of vacation, you just give 30 days notice and tell them that you are taking your time off right then. It's illegal to refuse accrued vacation time and illegal not to pay it and illegal to fire you to keep you from using it. But they CAN not pay it out if you quick and forget to take it.
THen you either get a vacation or can work the other job while still pulling the paycheck from the old one. No matter what, though, that money is yours if you know what you are doing.
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@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@scottalanmiller said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@MattSpeller said in How much notice to give an employer?:
Fairly typical in IT to get walked out immediately after giving notice so I'd say give them as much as you can. They have to pay you out for it.
I don't know many good shops that walk you out. That's very much a mom and pop shop thing to do.
I know they do that in the defense industry.
Right, which is the opposite of the ones in my point
And are you sure that they walk you out as in fired, or just send you home. Defense doesn't normally have those firing problems, it's like finance, they just pay you to stay home two weeks and can ask you questions and stuff during that time.
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@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@travisdh1 said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
If you're in the US, that is highly illegal. Nothing different that stealing your wallet.
It's actually not. They only pay for earned time that is over 120hrs.
Read more here on point 3: https://www.workplacefairness.org/final-pay#3
SIck time they don't have to pay, vacation they do. But only if you handle it properly. It's federal because it is earned income and the IRS is owed their money regardless of if the company tries to screw the employee or not.
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@Dashrender said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@travisdh1 said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
If you're in the US, that is highly illegal. Nothing different that stealing your wallet.
It's actually not. They only pay for earned time that is over 120hrs.
Read more here on point 3: https://www.workplacefairness.org/final-pay#3
I didn't see anything in there about 120 hours, only a listing of states where paying accrued vacation is state law. I'm guessing you're not in one of those states?
No, that's a list of paid PERSONAL time, not vacation. Different things.
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@scottalanmiller said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Jason said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@Brains said in How much notice to give an employer?:
@IRJ said in How much notice to give an employer?:
2 weeks is what you give every time. No more, no less.
Every new employer will appreciate this and understand the two weeks notice.
As far as the employer you are leaving may beg for 3 weeks or a month. In my opinion you have no right to abide by this. By giving your two weeks you are already showing them a grace period. Employers have no problem laying people off without any grace period so never feel obligated to give any more time. Many times employers will walk IT out the door the same day anyway.
My employer requires 1 month of notice otherwise you are not paid out your Earned Time (Vacation days)
We don't get paid for earned time regardless when you leave. You use it or loose it.
The trick there, because that is legal, is that you are protected and have the right to take that time. For example, if the company owes you 30 days of vacation, you just give 30 days notice and tell them that you are taking your time off right then. It's illegal to refuse accrued vacation time and illegal not to pay it and illegal to fire you to keep you from using it. But they CAN not pay it out if you quick and forget to take it.
THen you either get a vacation or can work the other job while still pulling the paycheck from the old one. No matter what, though, that money is yours if you know what you are doing.
This is an interesting situation - most companies that I know of don't let you just call the boss one day and say, oh starting today/tomorrow, whatever, I'm taking vacation.
My question is, what demands/controls, etc do employers have over when you can use your accrued vacation?
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@Dashrender said in How much notice to give an employer?:
This is an interesting situation - most companies that I know of don't let you just call the boss one day and say, oh starting today/tomorrow, whatever, I'm taking vacation.
My question is, what demands/controls, etc do employers have over when you can use your accrued vacation?
You can when their only other option is to fire you to not give it to you. Once you are putting in notice, they can't try to hold back your accrued vacation time. Because the only other option is firing you for the purpose of tax evasion... not very legal.
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Lots of employers try to refuse vacation totally... and it is completely illegal. You can't refuse vacation for the purpose of not paying it out. And you can never refuse it in a way that causes someone to lose it. That's fraud and very, very illegal.
