New Thermostat



  • So I have a digital thermostat currently but it is awful and needs to be replaced. It doesn't work like it should and the interface is garbage. So am thinking about what I could replace it with. Came across this one and it looks really interesting...

    https://www.smarthome.com/ecobee-eb-state3-01ecobee3-smart-wi-fi-thermostat.html

    I really like that it is Alexa enabled, because we use the Amazon Echo extensively and would like to use it more. We have the Echo and Tap currently and plan to put a Dot in the main part of the house with the big sound system.



  • Looks interesting. We will be building a new home next year; I am just starting to check out the available options for smart homes.



  • @scottalanmiller well.. there are a lot of choices, do you have a regular AC or a heat pump?



  • @WrCombs said in New Thermostat:

    @scottalanmiller well.. there are a lot of choices, do you have a regular AC or a heat pump?

    Regular AC. Heat pumps are rare in Texas. Can't put anything like that in the clay.



  • @scottalanmiller the one youre interested in should do the trick, it looks very intersting.. never seen one like that



  • @WrCombs said in New Thermostat:

    @scottalanmiller the one youre interested in should do the trick, it looks very intersting.. never seen one like that

    Sure looks nice to me. Classy, lots of features and Alexa integration. That's a big win all in one.



  • @scottalanmiller defiently! Lots of features



  • @WrCombs said in New Thermostat:

    @scottalanmiller defiently! Lots of features

    And we LOVE our Amazon Echo system. The kids love that they can just use it.



  • I've tested them both a great deal. The EcoBee definitely gives you more options than the Nest. We went with the Nest this spring. I liked the app interface a bit more. Plus we liked the dial to change the thermostat if we're not using the app and walking by, just a little quicker. We also don't go up stairs so we didn't need extra sensors offered in the EcoBee. Personal preference really.

    The EcoBee, for the most part, does everything the Nest does, plus more, for the same price or less depending on your region.

    The interface is arguably WAY more intuitive on the EcoBee, and making adjustments when not in the app, to certain settings, is way easier with a touch screen then the rotating dial.

    The extras that go with the Nest, like the smoke alarms and so forth, work a bit better than EcoBee offerings, but maybe updates will change that. One thing the EcoBee has that Nest doesn't, are sensors. If you have multiple areas that need to be monitored, you have to buy multiple Nests. There was talk about the Nest Protects (smoke alarm & carbon monoxide) having temp in their motion sensor but it never came around. The motion is simply for disabling the Nest "Away" function when someone moves around in that zone to start circulating air and controlling the temp. Whereas the EcoBee sensors monitor all over the residence for an even temperature on multiple stories. There are pros and cons with each. But knowing you a little, you'd likely be way happier with the EcoBee.

    Awesome thermostat.



  • @BBigford awesome, thanks. That's great feedback.



  • I just remembered one other reason we bought the Nest... Adaptive schedule. It learns our schedule and adapts to transitions in temperature day to day so it auto adjusts.

    I'd have taken the EcoBee if it had that, just throwing these little things out there about the logic behind getting something with less features. We also plan on getting the Nest Protect for bedrooms. The EcoBee 3 didn't have anything like that during our latest purchase.



  • @BBigford said in New Thermostat:

    I just remembered one other reason we bought the Nest... Adaptive schedule. It learns our schedule and adapts to transitions in temperature day to day so it auto adjusts.

    That's specifically a feature that worries me. My schedule isn't predictive, so that feature to me just means that it won't work.



  • @scottalanmiller

    We use these at work, we use the commercial one not the home one.

    I forget exactly why, but there was a feature is commercial that set it apart from home (atleast about 18 months ago) outside temp or something?

    Initial programming was sure annoying, took us prob atleast 2 months to get it perfect, and we go in once to essentially change it from summer mode to winter mode.

    So to make it black and white, in a 2 floor business office we look at our thermostat at most twice a year.



  • You could buy something like this but I'd much rather have a Raspberry Pi with a nice touchscreen



  • The remote sensors cost $80 for a 2 pack.

    I wonder how useful those would be without a heater / AC unit with dedicated vents.



  • I bought this one for our new house.
    https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-TH9320WF5003-Screen-Programmable-Thermostat/dp/B00G4CIG7M

    Not a learning model. Our house is too small for that to matter. Not to mention my schedule would not play well with it.



  • On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?





  • @scottalanmiller said in New Thermostat:

    @BBigford said in New Thermostat:

    I just remembered one other reason we bought the Nest... Adaptive schedule. It learns our schedule and adapts to transitions in temperature day to day so it auto adjusts.

    That's specifically a feature that worries me. My schedule isn't predictive, so that feature to me just means that it won't work.

    Yeah that's tough then. We kind of have a schedule, with some variation. So over time it builds a profile. We rarely have to adjust it now for the seasons, but our variation in schedules is usually only a few hours.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    I thought nobody was putting that online so we don't give them ideas?

    Yeah, surprised it hasn't happened yet to be honest.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    Yes, but that was uploaded locally. It's just proving the concept that you could hack them. Which was obvious to begin with since they are connected devices. Still fully secure as far as what's been released.



  • I mean, if I had a smartstat and it was hacked, I'd just flip the breaker and go buy a new unit...

    The units are cheaper than the Ransom.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    I mean, if I had a smartstat and it was hacked, I'd just flip the breaker and go buy a new unit...

    The units are cheaper than the Ransom.

    Assuming it did get hacked and ransomed from an Internet connection... I'd have to look into it, but if it's under warranty, you could probably send it in and they'd wipe it at no cost. That would fall under a gray area of "defective or not working as intended". That would go more into the ethics on the user side more than anything I think. Sending something in that the company should cover. One could argue the opposite side I guess "well if it was more secure... it's not like I'm installing stuff, so the software was designed poorly."



  • @BBigford said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    I mean, if I had a smartstat and it was hacked, I'd just flip the breaker and go buy a new unit...

    The units are cheaper than the Ransom.

    I'd have to look into it, but if it's under warranty, you could probably send it in and they'd wipe it at no cost. That would fall under a gray area of "defective or not working as intended".

    But if it's the dead of winter could you be without heat for however long it takes to get it returned? I suppose you could reinstall the original thermostat....



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    @BBigford said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    I mean, if I had a smartstat and it was hacked, I'd just flip the breaker and go buy a new unit...

    The units are cheaper than the Ransom.

    I'd have to look into it, but if it's under warranty, you could probably send it in and they'd wipe it at no cost. That would fall under a gray area of "defective or not working as intended".

    But if it's the dead of winter could you be without heat for however long it takes to get it returned? I suppose you could reinstall the original thermostat....

    We keep the old thermostat for when we go to sell the house. Although now thinking about it, we'd probably leave the Nest as we'd want a more updated unit (or something different all together like the EcoBee again).

    So yeah we could just install the old unit, or buy a new one for $20 (no schedule).



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    Kind of hard to ransom someone when all they can do is lock you out of your settings. You either just reset it and program it again or replace it for $40 and turn the AC on. The ransom would be worth like nothing.



  • @scottalanmiller said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    Kind of hard to ransom someone when all they can do is lock you out of your settings. You either just reset it and program it again or replace it for $40 and turn the AC on. The ransom would be worth like nothing.

    @scottalanmiller sure the ransomware is mostly worthless because the unit could just be reprogrammed. If you can get into it.

    The posted article is from 2015 I believe, and uses root to access the device. Presumably they change the root password.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    @BBigford said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    I mean, if I had a smartstat and it was hacked, I'd just flip the breaker and go buy a new unit...

    The units are cheaper than the Ransom.

    I'd have to look into it, but if it's under warranty, you could probably send it in and they'd wipe it at no cost. That would fall under a gray area of "defective or not working as intended".

    But if it's the dead of winter could you be without heat for however long it takes to get it returned? I suppose you could reinstall the original thermostat....

    How long can that take? I could get to the store and back with a new thermostat, assuming I lost the current one, faster than I could set up a bitcoin account, I bet. And then I'd have protection against this in the future, which would obviously be needed. And in the meantime, I'd start a fire in the fireplace or whatever.



  • @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    @scottalanmiller said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    Kind of hard to ransom someone when all they can do is lock you out of your settings. You either just reset it and program it again or replace it for $40 and turn the AC on. The ransom would be worth like nothing.

    @scottalanmiller sure the ransomware is mostly worthless because the unit could just be reprogrammed. If you can get into it.

    The posted article is from 2015 I believe, and uses root to access the device. Presumably they change the root password.

    Factory reset button?



  • @dafyre said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    @scottalanmiller said in New Thermostat:

    @DustinB3403 said in New Thermostat:

    On a side thought, wasn't there a recent post on how unsecure these things are, how you could be ransom'd to pay Bitcoin to have the AC /Heat turn on or off?

    Kind of hard to ransom someone when all they can do is lock you out of your settings. You either just reset it and program it again or replace it for $40 and turn the AC on. The ransom would be worth like nothing.

    @scottalanmiller sure the ransomware is mostly worthless because the unit could just be reprogrammed. If you can get into it.

    The posted article is from 2015 I believe, and uses root to access the device. Presumably they change the root password.

    Factory reset button?

    That's what I was assuming. Everything has one of those.


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