I Would Fire Someone For....
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@coliver said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
It's funny, we (our business unit) were just discussing blocking any purchases that required tradition Client/Server and fat applications.
Blocking might be too far, but strongly, strongly auditing to see why that has happened. Unless the vendor can produce a really strong technical case for the requirement or value of the lock in, I'd avoid them on competence grounds alone. If they can't make viable software today, what are the chances that they will be able to properly support it tomorrow?
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I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
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@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
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@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day! -
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Come to think of it, why in the world does anyone let someone put something like that in their network in the first place? You want an internet line put into our dmark and a network connection just for your server, maybe. Why is your device so poorly built that it doesn't have a VPN built in already?
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Ness us vulnerability scanner caught it as an old version
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Um.... seriously, WTF!
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Ness us vulnerability scanner caught it as an old version
How did Nessus detect the WS version?
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Ness us vulnerability scanner caught it as an old version
How did Nessus detect the WS version?
With a credentialed scan. It pulls information about vulnerabilities on all applications. It's a full time job. Everyday there is a new vulnerability in an OS, software, etc.
Nessus can pull information about networking devices, too. It checks for weak passwords by doing brute force ,and you can add credentials to get even more information like vulnerable firmware versions, etc.
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Ness us vulnerability scanner caught it as an old version
How did Nessus detect the WS version?
With a credentialed scan. It pulls information about vulnerabilities on all applications. It's a full time job. Everyday there is a new vulnerability in an OS, software, etc.
Nessus can pull information about networking devices, too. It checks for weak passwords by doing brute force ,and you can add credentials to get even more information like vulnerable firmware versions, etc.
Interesting - so they gave you the password to their server?
Did they/you remove wireshark?
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Ness us vulnerability scanner caught it as an old version
How did Nessus detect the WS version?
With a credentialed scan. It pulls information about vulnerabilities on all applications. It's a full time job. Everyday there is a new vulnerability in an OS, software, etc.
Nessus can pull information about networking devices, too. It checks for weak passwords by doing brute force ,and you can add credentials to get even more information like vulnerable firmware versions, etc.
Interesting - so they gave you the password to their server?
Did they/you remove wireshark?
It's our hardware. Yes wireshark has been removed. They were troubleshooting a connectivity issue. Although they should have asked us first.
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@Breffni-Potter said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said
- Did you not use available resources as there are thousands of posts on Spiceworks about this topic, more than any other topic.
- How did you manage to avoid the common knowledge around such a basic, and loudly discussed, topic?
- How is your knowledge outdated by nearly a decade?
Most of the world does not use Spiceworks.
A lot of IT admins choose not to engage in IT communities.
PPTP VPN on 2012 R2 server installs is acceptable to some.Drops mic, walks away
A free and easy to setup VPN. Managed one at my last job.
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@Texkonc said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Breffni-Potter said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said
- Did you not use available resources as there are thousands of posts on Spiceworks about this topic, more than any other topic.
- How did you manage to avoid the common knowledge around such a basic, and loudly discussed, topic?
- How is your knowledge outdated by nearly a decade?
Most of the world does not use Spiceworks.
A lot of IT admins choose not to engage in IT communities.
PPTP VPN on 2012 R2 server installs is acceptable to some.Drops mic, walks away
A free and easy to setup VPN. Managed one at my last job.
You managed a PPTP? You should have replaced that one
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@thwr said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Texkonc said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Breffni-Potter said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said
- Did you not use available resources as there are thousands of posts on Spiceworks about this topic, more than any other topic.
- How did you manage to avoid the common knowledge around such a basic, and loudly discussed, topic?
- How is your knowledge outdated by nearly a decade?
Most of the world does not use Spiceworks.
A lot of IT admins choose not to engage in IT communities.
PPTP VPN on 2012 R2 server installs is acceptable to some.Drops mic, walks away
A free and easy to setup VPN. Managed one at my last job.
You managed a PPTP? You should have replaced that one
it was 2012 R2, using AES256 and dropped the connection if 256 was not supported. I cranked the security settings way up. Job didnt want to pay for Cisco VPN licenses. Had to make use of what I could.
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@Breffni-Potter said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
Stealing.
Lying.
No commitment, zero energy, just slothful.
No desire/drive to improve on weak areas.These for me are the big 4, I'm not really into the "He wasted $$$ fire him" because I've done it in business and regretted it, mistakes do happen but you do learn from him but point 4, if there is no desire to improve after the mistake, then that's when we have problems.
I have to agree with these. Stealing? No. Lying? You're gone. No energy? More tolerable but if they are constantly falling asleep on the job and therefore not getting stuff done? Gone. No desire to improve? That's the biggest one for me. I've been in a supervisory position. This was always my biggest thing. I'll gladly take the time to train you, help you improve, but if you are uninterested in trying to improve, you're a waste of my time and breath, and there's the door.
