I Would Fire Someone For....
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I think I'm saying this wrong - I want to see these "web" apps (example being Scott's aforementioned MS Office 2013 or newer) running on anything. But we don't. Until that happens, Windows and Mac will continue to have a place.
With the exception of MS Office, which we are expecting to see on Linux very soon, what aren't you seeing on the other platforms? How many real business tools or serious apps are you not seeing on "any" platform? Medical is decades behind, and screwing their customers, we expect them to be using native apps for a while. But of serious business apps from good vendors, who isn't on Linux?
I have no idea - is Literoom and AutoCAD on Linux? (I have no idea if they are or not).
But more importantly, if they are, are they native apps or web apps?
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
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As for medical - surprisingly, many of them are moving to web front ends. The one we use is called athenaNet (small a). It's browser based, they still require a shit client install to integrate hardware devices, I'm not sure if that's a limitation of what browsers can access outside the sandbox of the browser, or their programming ability.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I know that AD and GPO aren't directly related. but system management is the biggest reason I want AD.
But AD doesn't give any system management
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I have no idea - is Literoom and AutoCAD on Linux? (I have no idea if they are or not).
You are going after graphics, not business apps. We all accept that graphics apps, which are not at all common in business, are still doing native and will for at least a generation. What about business apps? Normal companies don't use engineering CAD stations.
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@Dashrender said
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
That is all I see nowadays. I don't want to touch anything that requires a client.
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This guy is really close. No wonder they've got infrastructure problems. Maybe the purchaser has moved on and stuck them? Watching this disaster with @DustinB3403
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@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
This guy is really close. No wonder they've got infrastructure problems. Maybe the purchaser has moved on and stuck them? Watching this disaster with @DustinB3403
Yeah that thread is all kinds of bad.
Just awful. I'm giving the guy the benefit that he didn't set it up like this (or at the very least there is some good reason for it) but not taking backups before working on the system.
That's just a basic CYA step.
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I would fire someone for deleting the accounts that belong to other departments in software that they are responsible for.
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It's funny, we (our business unit) were just discussing blocking any purchases that required tradition Client/Server and fat applications.
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said
My main point was the platformless nature of web apps is what I still don't see very much.
That is all I see nowadays. I don't want to touch anything that requires a client.
Same here. I'm just not running into these native apps with platform lock in.
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@coliver said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
It's funny, we (our business unit) were just discussing blocking any purchases that required tradition Client/Server and fat applications.
Blocking might be too far, but strongly, strongly auditing to see why that has happened. Unless the vendor can produce a really strong technical case for the requirement or value of the lock in, I'd avoid them on competence grounds alone. If they can't make viable software today, what are the chances that they will be able to properly support it tomorrow?
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I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
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@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
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@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
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@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
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@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day! -
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@IRJ said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Brains said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@scottalanmiller said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'm trying to do the same for things that require Flash or Java.
I think most of us did that long ago
You might have within NTG, but I bet many of your clients didn't.
I cringe when I have to install Java for some outdated AC control unit. We currently have a machine blocked from the internet running some OLD version of Java just so they can still monitor the AC system
LOL - these guys wanted a VPN connection to my network for the HVAC - I told my boss that we might as be Target and just turn off the firewall at that point. She agreed that they would not get remote access.
Our AC maintenance guys installed Wireshark on their server. I was like WTF!
Did they at least ask first? If they didn't ask, you're off the network and can pay for your own connection.
Why would they ask, it was their (I'm assuming the HVAC's) server.
My question is. how did you know they installed Wireshark? You just happened to walk by and noticed it? lol
But absolutely - you need remote access, you get your own network - have a nice day!Come to think of it, why in the world does anyone let someone put something like that in their network in the first place? You want an internet line put into our dmark and a network connection just for your server, maybe. Why is your device so poorly built that it doesn't have a VPN built in already?
