What Are You Doing Right Now
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Good morning everyone. Hopefully because it is Black Friday, things will be really slow.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
why do you all eat turkeys on TG?
Absolutely no idea.
the way it was explained to me in the unorthodox public school system was because when the pilgrims came, they saw turkeys upon arriving.
Christopher Colombus would have the natives do "favors" which then turned into "do it, or die." scenarios. mostly including turkey. Then on the third Thursday of November its rumored that they pilgrims invited these natives to eat with them, and what was prepared was (you guessed it) another turkey.So it became tradition through blood,threats and violence to eat a turkey in honor of an evil man who "discovered" this "untouched" Land, and then tortured the natives of this land until they did what he wanted.
We're supposed to be Thankful for what we have in this world, without people acknowledging the fact that This holiday is tainted with the blood of the Native Americans, who were told " to Be thankful for the discovery of this land"
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Good morning everyone. Hopefully because it is Black Friday, things will be really slow.
You can only hope.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Good morning everyone. Hopefully because it is Black Friday, things will be really slow.
Agreed. I'm trying to close out some old tickets today, so I can hit the ground running with project stuff on Monday.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the way it was explained to me in the unorthodox public school system was because when the pilgrims came, they saw turkeys upon arriving.
Christopher Columbus would have the natives do "favors" which then turned into "do it, or die." scenarios. mostly including turkey.Columbus was in the Caribbean, never came to the US and was in the 1400s. The Pilgrims were in New England, thousands of miles away and many countries away, two centuries later in the 1600s.
I can't imagine that Columbus ever saw a turkey, since he never discovered a region of the world that had them. Even today, to get a turkey in the Caribbean requires it be frozenand flow in from the US or Mexico, the only places where they come from.
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According to Mental Floss: "Since Bradford wrote of how the colonists had hunted wild turkeys during the autumn of 1621 and since turkey is a uniquely North American (and scrumptious) bird, it gained traction as the Thanksgiving meal of choice for Americans after Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863."
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the way it was explained to me in the unorthodox public school system was because when the pilgrims came, they saw turkeys upon arriving.
Christopher Columbus would have the natives do "favors" which then turned into "do it, or die." scenarios. mostly including turkey.Columbus was in the Caribbean, never came to the US and was in the 1400s. The Pilgrims were in New England, thousands of miles away and many countries away, two centuries later in the 1600s.
I can't imagine that Columbus ever saw a turkey, since he never discovered a region of the world that had them. Even today, to get a turkey in the Caribbean requires it be frozenand flow in from the US or Mexico, the only places where they come from.
You are probably right.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
According to Mental Floss: "Since Bradford wrote of how the colonists had hunted wild turkeys during the autumn of 1621 and since turkey is a uniquely North American (and scrumptious) bird, it gained traction as the Thanksgiving meal of choice for Americans after Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863."
The turkey is usually the main course of most household during this celebration. It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast. The Cornucopia s a symbol of nature's productivity.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The turkey is usually the main course of most household during this celebration.
88% according to a recent poll! Crazy how many people do this.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the way it was explained to me in the unorthodox public school system was because when the pilgrims came, they saw turkeys upon arriving.
Christopher Columbus would have the natives do "favors" which then turned into "do it, or die." scenarios. mostly including turkey.Columbus was in the Caribbean, never came to the US and was in the 1400s. The Pilgrims were in New England, thousands of miles away and many countries away, two centuries later in the 1600s.
I can't imagine that Columbus ever saw a turkey, since he never discovered a region of the world that had them. Even today, to get a turkey in the Caribbean requires it be frozenand flow in from the US or Mexico, the only places where they come from.
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!No matter how many places he went without turkey, he'd still not see any. LOL. The one place he never went, ever, was North America, the only place with turkey. And the parts of NA that have turkey, aren't the ones close to the parts of other places that he went.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!No matter how many places he went without turkey, he'd still not see any. LOL. The one place he never went, ever, was North America, the only place with turkey. And the parts of NA that have turkey, aren't the ones close to the parts of other places that he went.
let me dream man!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation wrote:
They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they can be used (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
Right. That page mentions that New Englanders had seen turkey, but never that it was served at Thanksgiving until the late 1800s. It's possible that they ate it, but it's just a later imagination thing. What was eaten in 1621 wasn't recorded, only that they ate a late harvest party for three days, nothing more.
I went through every mention of the word turkey, or the number four, on that page and can't find what you are referencing.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation wrote:
They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they can be used (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports
Right. How did Bradford recording "at one point, we stockpiled turkeys" translate into "we had four turkeys for 143 people at a specific party in 1621"? The one is unrelated to the other.
I have yoghurt in the fridge right now, it doesn't imply that we served it to someone yesterday.
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@WrCombs The first Thanksgiving was a harvest celebration, not a winter stockpile celebration. To eat anything that they had in their winter stocks, rather than only what was excess from the recent harvest, would have been weird and dangerous. If they had turkey saved for the long, grueling winter, it seems reckless for Bradford to have suggested that they eat that at this big party (which was mostly Indians), rather than going to town on the harvest food that they were supposedly celebrating of which they had plenty, and fresh.
