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dafyre

@scottalanmiller ... I am standing by with Fire extenguisher and helmet.

scottalanmiller

As am I.

scottalanmiller

Getting trained on Kanban in Jira.

scottalanmiller

Epic thunderstorm going on here. Never heard anything like this. Must be because we are high in the mountains. This is insane.

dafyre

@scottalanmiller Get video!

nadnerB

Trying to figure out how to convert an ASUS T100 (hybrid Lap-let ) from Windows 8.1 to 8.1 Pro... with a VLK.

Nothing has worked so far...

Oh well, if all this exercise achieves is that I uninstall McAfee, then I still count it as a win.

@nadnerB said:

Trying to figure out how to convert an ASUS T100 (hybrid Lap-let ) from Windows 8.1 to 8.1 Pro... with a VLK.

Nothing has worked so far...

Oh well, if all this exercise achieves is that I uninstall McAfee, then I still count it as a win.

I've done this. I just entered the VLK key in 8.1 either using command line or add windows features (don't remember which) and it converted it to pro without re-install. If you want to reimage USB boot is fairly easy.

nadnerB

@thecreativeone91 said:

I've done this. I just entered the VLK key in 8.1 either using command line or add windows features (don't remember which) and it converted it to pro without re-install. If you want to reimage USB boot is fairly easy.

Yeah, I tried the "Add Features" crapola but that didn't work. I get the whole "this key won't work. Check it and try again or try a different key".
Also tried replacing the key in the computer properties and Windows wouldn't have a bar of it.

I was thinking about USB booting it as a last resort but we are trialling this tab for a possible deployment for students. I want them on the domain and if we buy 20 more of them, I want to avoid spending the time USB booting them as it's really time consuming.

I have a few other tricks up my sleeve before I give up and USB boot.

@nadnerB said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

I've done this. I just entered the VLK key in 8.1 either using command line or add windows features (don't remember which) and it converted it to pro without re-install. If you want to reimage USB boot is fairly easy.

Yeah, I tried the "Add Features" crapola but that didn't work. I get the whole "this key won't work. Check it and try again or try a different key".
Also tried replacing the key in the computer properties and Windows wouldn't have a bar of it.

I was thinking about USB booting it as a last resort but we are trialling this tab for a possible deployment for students. I want them on the domain and if we buy 20 more of them, I want to avoid spending the time USB booting them as it's really time consuming.

I have a few other tricks up my sleeve before I give up and USB boot.

You should be able to use DISM to do it from the command line.

DISM /Online /Set-Edition:Professional /Set-Productkey: Key with dashes here

nadnerB

@thecreativeone91 said:

You should be able to use DISM to do it from the command line.

DISM /Online /Set-Edition:Professional /Set-Productkey: Key with dashes here

Thanks
I gave that a go but no joy. I checked the Windows version with DISM /online/Get-CurrentEdition and it came back with CoreConnected

I was all "lolwut?". Then I found this tidbit:

CoreConnected is called “Windows 8.1 With Bing” and it is a free version of Windows targeted at low-cost OEM devices.

http://bav0.com/windows-8-1-with-bing-is-official-but-what-about-professionalstudent/

I would hazard a guess that this is not going to work as it's missing bits... hang on... <researching>...

**Imaging & deployment testing
**>Customize and deploy Windows 8.1 with Bing just as you would any other Windows image. Add your unattend settings, apps, drives, and other items to your image. Deploy the image to a reference PC and validate that your apps and services function as expected.
http://bav0.com/windows-8-1-adk-leaks-some-interesting-stuff-inside-bing-edition-more/

Hmmmm, I'll add some more patches and then try again. I'm prepping a USB to boot from too

@nadnerB said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

You should be able to use DISM to do it from the command line.

DISM /Online /Set-Edition:Professional /Set-Productkey: Key with dashes here

Thanks
I gave that a go but no joy. I checked the Windows version with DISM /online/Get-CurrentEdition and it came back with CoreConnected

I was all "lolwut?". Then I found this tidbit:

CoreConnected is called “Windows 8.1 With Bing” and it is a free version of Windows targeted at low-cost OEM devices.

http://bav0.com/windows-8-1-with-bing-is-official-but-what-about-professionalstudent/

I would hazard a guess that this is not going to work as it's missing bits... hang on... <researching>...

Ah, yeah if it's windows with bing I don't think it is even possible. It's a slimed down 100% free OS. I don't think it's even eligible to use with volume licensed pro upgrade on top of legally. You'd need to buy the Windows 8.1 Pro Packs I believe.

Yep. Just checked. You need to buy Win 8.1 Pro Packs to fully licesne them and then you can use one of your VLKs with volume media to using your imaging rights if you have volume licenses. Just make sure to document that these are installed with the VLKs but licensed with the OEM + Pro Pack.

nadnerB

@thecreativeone91 said:

Yep. Just checked. You need to buy Win 8.1 Pro Packs to fully licesne them and then you can use one of your VLKs with volume media to using your imaging rights if you have volume licenses. Just make sure to document that these are installed with the VLKs but licensed with the OEM + Pro Pack.

That's double dipping on MS's part.
Thanks for the info. The viability of these T-100's is slipping away by the minute.
Yes, they are awesomely inexpensive but it seems that you make up for it with licensing costs.

@nadnerB said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

Yep. Just checked. You need to buy Win 8.1 Pro Packs to fully licesne them and then you can use one of your VLKs with volume media to using your imaging rights if you have volume licenses. Just make sure to document that these are installed with the VLKs but licensed with the OEM + Pro Pack.

That's double dipping on MS's part.
Thanks for the info. The viability of these T-100's is slipping away by the minute.
Yes, they are awesomely inexpensive but it seems that you make up for it with licensing costs.

They are likely cheap because Windows with bing is free to the OEM.

nadnerB

@thecreativeone91 said:

@nadnerB said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

Yep. Just checked. You need to buy Win 8.1 Pro Packs to fully licesne them and then you can use one of your VLKs with volume media to using your imaging rights if you have volume licenses. Just make sure to document that these are installed with the VLKs but licensed with the OEM + Pro Pack.

That's double dipping on MS's part.
Thanks for the info. The viability of these T-100's is slipping away by the minute.
Yes, they are awesomely inexpensive but it seems that you make up for it with licensing costs.

They are likely cheap because Windows with bing is free to the OEM.

Yeah, that does seem to be the dollar value of the price difference

Dashrender

The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.

To get to a similar footing as the Surface Pro3 you'll need to add $100 for the Pro Pack and $50 for the pen. Now you're at $750... only $50 away from the cost of an i3 Surface Pro 3....

The Surface 3 is $100 to expensive for what it is.. it should at least include the keyboard at this price.

@Dashrender said:

The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.

Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.

I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.

Dashrender

@thecreativeone91 said:

@Dashrender said:

The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.

Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.

I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.

What's the price difference?

From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@Dashrender said:

The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.

Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.

I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.

What's the price difference?

From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!

MSRP is $1,300 I believe but they can be had for $800-$1,000 I think. The dual batteries and dock are great.. and the pen for writing actually goes inside the tablet unlike the SP3.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/detachables-biz/pro_x2_612.html

Dashrender

@thecreativeone91 said:

@Dashrender said:

@thecreativeone91 said:

@Dashrender said:

The same viability problems exist for the new Surface 3 - $499 is way to expensive for any business to eve consider it.

Is the Surface 3 using windows with bing? I though it was windows 8.1 Full version.

I honestly think the HP Pro x2 612 is a better deal than the Surface Pro 3. Comes with a real keyboard dock that works exactly like a laptop and has an extra battery in it. As well as lots more ports than the Surface pro 3. A business grade docking connector so you can connect everything including 2-3 monitors. And has windows 8.1 Pro.

What's the price difference?

From what I read a long time ago... MS creating the SP3 ( heck the whole SP line in general) was to show manufactures what COULD be done.. to get off their lazy asses and make cool hardware like Apple was doing!

MSRP is $1,300 I believe but they can be had for $800-$1,000 I think. The dual batteries and dock are great.. and the pen for writing actually goes inside the tablet unlike the SP3.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/detachables-biz/pro_x2_612.html

Versus $1150 for the SP3 pro - the HP is heavier, but that might be OK.. it's definitely not a portable (the HP that is), but that might not matter as the extras might make it really worth while.

The problem I have with all of tablets or convertibles, etc, there are few apps that take advantage of Windows as a tablet. For example, Electronic Health Records systems rarely work well for real charting because of the amount of data input required. This requires either a damned good voice rec program (sorry Dragon still sucks) or a keyboard. Not to mention that the docs I talk to hate scrolling all the time, though I don't recall them bitching about having to flip dozens of pages in an old paper chart to look at things.
But they do have to click/type/other input a crap load... now.. of course this is mostly because they've been told by the good ol' uncle sam that they since they can provide more information in a data centric way.. they they must provide that data.. and they hate that.. they never cared about things that were not specific to them before.. but now they have to track ----

whoo wait a min.. wrong post..

back to the SP series... I really want to love this device.. and the little I've used one. .it's pretty awesome.. but what would I ever do with it that I wouldn't be just as happy with my Yoga 2 Pro 13" convertible laptop? The answer is, only if I have to do data input while walking would I rather have the SP3, otherwise the lapability of the Yoga 2 Pro is infinitely better.

I do have to admit that the SP3 has a batter that lasts 30% longer than my Yoga 2 Pro (but that's comparing an i7 Yoga to a i5 SP3).