What Are You Doing Right Now
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@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Bah! I missed a good thread.
I can empathize with having to wrap my head around "CEO's network / CEO's company" concept. Soon after transitioning into IT I realized our job isn't to protect the network from the company, but rather make the network do what the company needs. We do have a duty to warn the company if it has an idea that would be harmful to the network, but ultimately, the company decided what it wants to do with its network.
I think this has a lot to do with where you are the company. If you are the head of IT, then you should understand the business goals and being making decisions to that end.. but if you are the IT lacky - then your boss or their boss is the one making the real decisions, you (assuming it's part of your job) make your recommendations, and they get to live by their actual decisions.
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@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller I love when you said , "It's the CEO's network, the CEO's company. " I've met some people who have a power struggle about it.
It's a VERY common failing in IT to feel a sense of "ownership" of a network; instead of realizing that we just help to maintain other peoples' networks.
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@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I think that this is worth a read. If I was the CEO and say this thread, I'd be pretty unhappy and definitely not give this guy access.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2104114-unique-situation-for-it
with the guy who posted or the it guy he had for years
The guy who posted sounds like he is crazy. The guy that has been there for years sounds reasonable.
The CEO is agreeing with my view, that the guy who has been around for years is to be trusted and the new guy demanding access and to spend money without justification should be blocked.
just finished reading and the guy that posted sure is complaining a whole lot. If it's working why fix it.
Yeah. Now there is an argument to be made that it isn't working, and they just haven't realized it yet. But that generally applies to lacking patches and updates, not to not having features.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
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Yeah I would definitely talk to the CEO about it... no reason at all to tread lightly. He hired him to do a job and now he can't (so it seems).
If the CEO realizes what's going on there's nothing to be worried about. If the CEO gets mad or weird about it, then you know you don't want to be working there under those kinds of conditions. I'd already be looking for another job to be honest, just in case.
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@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Yeah I would definitely talk to the CEO about it... no reason at all to tread lightly. He hired him to do a job and now he can't (so it seems).
If the CEO realizes what's going on there's nothing to be worried about. If the CEO gets mad or weird about it, then you know you don't want to be working there under those kinds of conditions. I'd already be looking for another job to be honest, just in case.
My guess is that the CEO isn't the one being weird. From his own description of the problem, at best it seems like he doesn't communicate well which could explain a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller I love when you said , "It's the CEO's network, the CEO's company. " I've met some people who have a power struggle about it.
It's a VERY common failing in IT to feel a sense of "ownership" of a network; instead of realizing that we just help to maintain other peoples' networks.
I'm guilty of this ^^^^^^. Been in current job for 20+ years (still loving it).
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller I love when you said , "It's the CEO's network, the CEO's company. " I've met some people who have a power struggle about it.
It's a VERY common failing in IT to feel a sense of "ownership" of a network; instead of realizing that we just help to maintain other peoples' networks.
I think it is because in IT we invest so much work into things that when someone wants to do something that would affect the infrastructure we have put in place, we in IT can see it as an attack on ourselves at times. It is especially hard when you have something that when you are done you are extremely proud of because of how much hard work and time we put into it. It is hard to step back from that.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
Well - at a small SMB (100 or so employees) I wouldn't want the title Director of IT, even if I really was the end all be all of IT decision making.. So I could see not calling yourself Director, head of, etc in that case.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
Well - at a small SMB (100 or so employees) I wouldn't want the title Director of IT, even if I really was the end all be all of IT decision making.. So I could see not calling yourself Director, head of, etc in that case.
Better than calling yourself a system admin when that isn't even slightly your job!
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His job is apparently "tidying cables" and "installing unneeded antivirus".
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
Well - at a small SMB (100 or so employees) I wouldn't want the title Director of IT, even if I really was the end all be all of IT decision making.. So I could see not calling yourself Director, head of, etc in that case.
In my current SMB, being the end of all of IT decisions, my title is Director of IT but it was given to me a long time ago and never cared to change it. Heck maybe "Bench-Worker General" is the best description as that is the majority of my work.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
His job is apparently "tidying cables" and "installing unneeded antivirus".
Detection rates aren't the best, though. The question is, "Is the built-in Windows Defender capable enough to block real threats"?
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@tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
His job is apparently "tidying cables" and "installing unneeded antivirus".
Detection rates aren't the best, though. The question is, "Is the built-in Windows Defender capable enough to block real threats"?
It's not bad. And he didn't propose an alternative, only that MS tools weren't good enough, whatever that means. He doesn't have a problem with them using Windows desktops, but doesn't trust his vendor? That's not a good combination.
Defender is definitely good enough for most small businesses, detection rates are not great for anyone and what actually matters is good system design, other security measures, proper user management, and training.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
This is where I'm at.... Seems like he's padding something or trying to cover himself.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@tech1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The oddest thing is he still hasn't responded. Seems like this would be a good time to justify/explain your comments and save some face. Or someone might send that thread to that users CEO.
He finally did and clarified some things.
That must be a rough situation to be in.
It feels fishy. He had to change the title significantly to make it make sense. He started off claiming he was a system admin. Then when clearly it didn't fit his story, he changed it to "head of IT".
That's like saying you were hired as a mechanic. Then when you claimed you should be in charge, changing your story to claim you were the manager. It doesn't add up and it's not a natural mistake to make - claiming yourself to be a technical employee, then after getting busted, claiming that you were, in fact, the manager instead.
This is where I'm at.... Seems like he's padding something or trying to cover himself.
Right. If he was the head of IT, seems like he'd have mentioned that the first time instead of giving a clearly made up title that doesn't reflect his real role or any role he claims at all. That he thinks that's what a system admin is would be another problem. Nothing like your "Head of IT" not even knowing IT roles.
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Just realized there are thousands of free books on Google that one can just read online or save as epub/pdf. There are even some linux books, mostly the RedBooks series.
Now to find some good ones, fiction and work related. -
@momurda said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just realized there are thousands of free books on Google that one can just read online or save as epub/pdf. There are even some linux books, mostly the RedBooks series.
Now to find some good ones, fiction and work related.Link(s)?
