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    • coliverC
      coliver @Dashrender
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      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.

      There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.

      What are they using to manage it?

      XenCenter

      Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.

      They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing

      That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.

      I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
      I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
      Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.

      It's not a Xen thing, it's just a standard open source thing. XO is software, it is licensed in such a way that they never need to look at the pricing. That's the miracle of open source licensing, it's standard industry knowledge and stops them from ever needing to do what they did. If they read the site carefully, they would notice a free download that is unrelated to what they looked at (yes it says for personal use but never says not for commercial use and the license is for commercial so they are obviously clear and the owner states this as well) and that what they were looking at what an appliance based on XO, not XO itself. So they weren't even looking at the pricing for what we were suggesting.

      This is a standard problem though - RHEL has this same issue. Well a bit different because I don't think you can download the software from their site without a purchased license - but, if you get the software you can install and use it completely free, just with no support, of course.

      These Sites clearly steer you in the direction of a paid product - and of course, why wouldn't they? They want to be paid. It's not obvious that there is a free solution that does what you need, of course with no vendor support.

      I'm guessing you're going to say, well that's your own fault for not reading carefully enough, digging into the EULA, etc to find what you need. Yeah most don't.

      You can download RHEL for free without a license or support. It's called CentOS.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        And in the case of XOA, Support isn't the only thing you get as part of the fee. You get an appliance. One that has update features, etc included in it.

        Yes, that is nice. And tested version control.

        So really they do have a Freeium product. But their website doesn't even give that impression. The website appears to be a free product for personal use and a paid product for business use. Digging in and reading the license agreement to understand that the glossy site is unrealistic in most cases.

        Frankly I think they might get better use if they really did have a Freemium look - because, then a business looking at it would fully understand, hey there's a free product here that I, a business, can use. Then, if I want support I can pay for it.

        SMBs almost always would rather pay for a product in what looks like a one time purchase than get a product and pay for support. Right or wrong, it's just the reality of many situations I've seen.
        i.e. I pay $800 for XOA and get free support for one year, I expect next year to be cheaper because I bought the product, and now I'm just paying for upgrades and continued support, which should be less expensive because I already own a license to the main product - again not saying it's right, it's just how they really think. If you really want $800/yr for support, You're probably better off saying the product is $300, support and upgrades is $800/yr. Then you've played the game, you understand how they think and got your end goal, $800/yr for support.

        Speaking of support - Exended warranties on cars - why don't you buy them? Because most of the time they don't pay off, so why would you pre-pay for support for software? Why not do like the car model and pay when there's a problem? of course the seller hates this because it's completely unpredictable revenue stream. It is what MS does. They charge a one time upfront fee (or in the case of Software Assurance they sell you a subscription more or less). If you need support, you still have to pay for that at the time of need.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @coliver
          last edited by

          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.

          There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.

          What are they using to manage it?

          XenCenter

          Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.

          They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing

          That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.

          I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
          I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
          Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.

          It's not a Xen thing, it's just a standard open source thing. XO is software, it is licensed in such a way that they never need to look at the pricing. That's the miracle of open source licensing, it's standard industry knowledge and stops them from ever needing to do what they did. If they read the site carefully, they would notice a free download that is unrelated to what they looked at (yes it says for personal use but never says not for commercial use and the license is for commercial so they are obviously clear and the owner states this as well) and that what they were looking at what an appliance based on XO, not XO itself. So they weren't even looking at the pricing for what we were suggesting.

          This is a standard problem though - RHEL has this same issue. Well a bit different because I don't think you can download the software from their site without a purchased license - but, if you get the software you can install and use it completely free, just with no support, of course.

          These Sites clearly steer you in the direction of a paid product - and of course, why wouldn't they? They want to be paid. It's not obvious that there is a free solution that does what you need, of course with no vendor support.

          I'm guessing you're going to say, well that's your own fault for not reading carefully enough, digging into the EULA, etc to find what you need. Yeah most don't.

          You can download RHEL for free without a license or support. It's called CentOS.

          That's not the same thing. And even if it is, other than branding - that message isn't clear, at least to me. - I temper this with the fact that I haven't looked at RHEL in probably 10+ years. and other than hearing about it here, I have no exposure to it at all, or CentOS.

          See this is one of those things that when you're on the inside it seems so obvious, but when you're not, you're so completely clueless as to not even consider it.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch
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            0_1476403651988_image.jpg

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              Someone drives slow... 80 pfft.. .

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                So really they do have a Freeium product.

                That is not what freemium means

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  At the Dallas Scale Legion event.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    Someone drives slow... 80 pfft.. .

                    Cruise control

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @JaredBusch I figured, be safe, watch out for the cops.

                      I never see a radar detector in any of your pictures....

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @JaredBusch I figured, be safe, watch out for the cops.

                        I never see a radar detector in any of your pictures....

                        Between experience and driving this route so many times and using Waze as my GPS, that pretty much handle the need for a detector

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                        • NattNattN
                          NattNatt
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                          Just got in, backup checks, UK Grime on loud and decided on breakfast...

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            Just did an install of MediaWiki.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.

                              There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.

                              What are they using to manage it?

                              XenCenter

                              Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.

                              They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing

                              That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.

                              I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
                              I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
                              Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.

                              It's not a Xen thing, it's just a standard open source thing. XO is software, it is licensed in such a way that they never need to look at the pricing. That's the miracle of open source licensing, it's standard industry knowledge and stops them from ever needing to do what they did. If they read the site carefully, they would notice a free download that is unrelated to what they looked at (yes it says for personal use but never says not for commercial use and the license is for commercial so they are obviously clear and the owner states this as well) and that what they were looking at what an appliance based on XO, not XO itself. So they weren't even looking at the pricing for what we were suggesting.

                              This is a standard problem though - RHEL has this same issue. Well a bit different because I don't think you can download the software from their site without a purchased license - but, if you get the software you can install and use it completely free, just with no support, of course.

                              These Sites clearly steer you in the direction of a paid product - and of course, why wouldn't they? They want to be paid. It's not obvious that there is a free solution that does what you need, of course with no vendor support.

                              I'm guessing you're going to say, well that's your own fault for not reading carefully enough, digging into the EULA, etc to find what you need. Yeah most don't.

                              You can download RHEL for free without a license or support. It's called CentOS.

                              That's not the same thing. And even if it is, other than branding - that message isn't clear, at least to me. - I temper this with the fact that I haven't looked at RHEL in probably 10+ years. and other than hearing about it here, I have no exposure to it at all, or CentOS.

                              See this is one of those things that when you're on the inside it seems so obvious, but when you're not, you're so completely clueless as to not even consider it.

                              I guess... but that really comes down to education on the user end and not the vendor. All the information to cover this exists, and is easy to find, so simply thinking the RHEL is a commercial company with only closed source products is a failure on your end. Since I started in IT, and that wasn't that long ago really, it was well understood that RHEL was an open source company that sold support.

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                              • gjacobseG
                                gjacobse
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                                Currently trying to plan out an uninstall / install script....

                                Since I don't do much (any) coding, not sure where how to begin. I've done a few batch files,.. maybe I"ll just stick with that.

                                # Pointless Un/Install batch
                                # 2016 Oct 14
                                # Rev 0.0.01a Beta
                                # insert rolled eyes here
                                rsync %username%\home\dreams \\unc\path\home\reality
                                peek $bankbalance if >bal=+0 error= 0 else error=1 run :sadness
                                error = 0 else repeat
                                #Uninstall week
                                sudo apt-get --purge remove workweek
                                sudo apt-get clean
                                sudo add-apt-repository ppa:campfire_grilling/ppa
                                sudo apt-get update
                                sudo apt-get install weekend
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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch
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                                  Donuts with dad.
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                                  • gjacobseG
                                    gjacobse
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                                    Hacked the charger base for my Baofeng UV-5r. Previously it only supported a 10v DC plug (wall adapter).

                                    It now has a USB up converter so I can do either,.. 10v from an AC to DC adapter, from any USB power source...

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                                    • thwrT
                                      thwr
                                      last edited by

                                      Weekend, finally. Has been a very long week. Or more like a couple of long weeks.

                                      Just noticed that my heavily customized Pi image won't boot on a Pi 3. Could be a great opportunity to create a new one based on Ubuntu Mate.

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                                      • art_of_shredA
                                        art_of_shred Banned @thwr
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                                        @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        Weekend, finally. Has been a very long week. Or more like a couple of long weeks.

                                        Just noticed that my heavily customized Pi image won't boot on a Pi 3. Could be a great opportunity to create a new one based on Ubuntu Mate.

                                        Or, you could just say "screw it" and go find something fun to do for the weekend!

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                                        • art_of_shredA
                                          art_of_shred Banned
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                                          (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTc3zcnIZOw)

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                                          • thwrT
                                            thwr @art_of_shred
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                                            @art_of_shred said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            Weekend, finally. Has been a very long week. Or more like a couple of long weeks.

                                            Just noticed that my heavily customized Pi image won't boot on a Pi 3. Could be a great opportunity to create a new one based on Ubuntu Mate.

                                            Or, you could just say "screw it" and go find something fun to do for the weekend!

                                            Won't touch this before Monday 🙂

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