What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
From everything I've read about our debit card, it is/can be run as a credit card with MasterCard holding/backing the credit.
That's standard, and doesn't matter. The car rental company can see the card and see that it is debit. They won't allow it. Everyone tries that. "Running as credit" isn't the same as "having credit."
Huh, learned something new. It wouldn't have been a big deal... except a comedy of errors and natural events just landed her in that position where she didn't have a credit card and stranded in Philly.
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Just had a pot noodle and pasta bake for dinner (not at the same time
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
From everything I've read about our debit card, it is/can be run as a credit card with MasterCard holding/backing the credit.
That's standard, and doesn't matter. The car rental company can see the card and see that it is debit. They won't allow it. Everyone tries that. "Running as credit" isn't the same as "having credit."
Huh, learned something new. It wouldn't have been a big deal... except a comedy of errors and natural events just landed her in that position where she didn't have a credit card and stranded in Philly.
Do tell! grabs popcorn
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@dafyre said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
From everything I've read about our debit card, it is/can be run as a credit card with MasterCard holding/backing the credit.
That's standard, and doesn't matter. The car rental company can see the card and see that it is debit. They won't allow it. Everyone tries that. "Running as credit" isn't the same as "having credit."
Huh, learned something new. It wouldn't have been a big deal... except a comedy of errors and natural events just landed her in that position where she didn't have a credit card and stranded in Philly.
Do tell! grabs popcorn
Let's just say Tornadoes, extreme weather, and airplanes don't go well together. On top of that my wife had had a very long work trip and had forgot her company CC at the terminal in FL after forgetting her CC at our house.
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Doing more Elastix 4 research here. They are really not ready for prime time yet. No repos even set up and working. The full ISO install has lots of failures.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Doing more Elastix 4 research here. They are really not ready for prime time yet. No repos even set up and working. The full ISO install has lots of failures.
I thought you had given up on them 4 months ago.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Doing more Elastix 4 research here. They are really not ready for prime time yet. No repos even set up and working. The full ISO install has lots of failures.
I thought you had given up on them 4 months ago.
They've been active since then and did a production release. We are trying hard to test it out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Doing more Elastix 4 research here. They are really not ready for prime time yet. No repos even set up and working. The full ISO install has lots of failures.
I thought you had given up on them 4 months ago.
They've been active since then and did a production release. We are trying hard to test it out.
But why? Did you just like that so much in the past that it forgives their mistakes over the past year plus?
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@Dashrender said:
But why? Did you just like that so much in the past that it forgives their mistakes over the past year plus?
Mistakes were mostly a lack of activity. Other than the problematic 2.5 update. What mistakes are you thinking of?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But why? Did you just like that so much in the past that it forgives their mistakes over the past year plus?
Mistakes were mostly a lack of activity. Other than the problematic 2.5 update. What mistakes are you thinking of?
They made a huge mistake in choosing to abandon the traditional PBX model in favor of the Multi-Tenant model. They released a half baked 2.5 update to the stable 2.4.
Then they beg for money (and got it) with kickstarter a year ago to move Elastic to CentOS 7. They failed to do anything stable and have no communications.
Then suddenly they drop a "release" for Elastix 4 that actually does not work.
How is this product even being considered.
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@JaredBusch said:
They made a huge mistake in choosing to abandon the traditional PBX model in favor of the Multi-Tenant model.
This I don't see as a problem. They made a different product and are working to overcome the limitations of FreePBX, which is not a very good interface. They just got over-ambitious on that front, it was a huge undertaking.
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I tend to agree with JB. I don't mind that they were trying to break from their reliance on FreePBX nor that they were trying to make a multi-tenant version, but they abandoned their core. Period. If you were relying on them for single user PBX, why would you ever trust them to not abandon you again?
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@Dashrender said:
I tend to agree with JB. I don't mind that they were trying to break from their reliance on FreePBX nor that they were trying to make a multi-tenant version, but they abandoned their core. Period. If you were relying on them for single user PBX, why would you ever trust them to not abandon you again?
Did they abandon the core? Or just get slow and quiet on the development of it?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I tend to agree with JB. I don't mind that they were trying to break from their reliance on FreePBX nor that they were trying to make a multi-tenant version, but they abandoned their core. Period. If you were relying on them for single user PBX, why would you ever trust them to not abandon you again?
Did they abandon the core? Or just get slow and quiet on the development of it?
And how long do you give someone (or a team) to be slow and quiet before you consider it abandoned?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I tend to agree with JB. I don't mind that they were trying to break from their reliance on FreePBX nor that they were trying to make a multi-tenant version, but they abandoned their core. Period. If you were relying on them for single user PBX, why would you ever trust them to not abandon you again?
Did they abandon the core? Or just get slow and quiet on the development of it?
And how long do you give someone (or a team) to be slow and quiet before you consider it abandoned?
The question is... how long did you? How long between 2.5 and the continuing work on 4 have you given them? I say we didn't give them long enough to call it abandoned. You did, so at what point did you make that call?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I tend to agree with JB. I don't mind that they were trying to break from their reliance on FreePBX nor that they were trying to make a multi-tenant version, but they abandoned their core. Period. If you were relying on them for single user PBX, why would you ever trust them to not abandon you again?
Did they abandon the core? Or just get slow and quiet on the development of it?
And how long do you give someone (or a team) to be slow and quiet before you consider it abandoned?
The question is... how long did you? How long between 2.5 and the continuing work on 4 have you given them? I say we didn't give them long enough to call it abandoned. You did, so at what point did you make that call?
I have no real stake in the game because I've never used it. I did install it, and frankly I hated the interface compared to FreePBX, which I disliked compared to Mitel's interface.
All that said, as an outsider I look that they had a product with a pretty decent following (maybe better than decent) and instead of continuing that product they pushed off dev at best and concentrated on MT which ultimately completely flopped from all viable accounts.
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About to give "Windows 10 Deployment Image V2.0" a try.
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@Dashrender said:
I have no real stake in the game because I've never used it. I did install it, and frankly I hated the interface compared to FreePBX, which I disliked compared to Mitel's interface.
Which did you install? They are both FreePBX interfaces, it's FreePBX as an interface that I dislike. Elastix 4's interface is my favourite of the three.
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@Dashrender said:
All that said, as an outsider I look that they had a product with a pretty decent following (maybe better than decent) and instead of continuing that product they pushed off dev at best and concentrated on MT which ultimately completely flopped from all viable accounts.
So the question is here, why do you feel that that is bad? They tried very ambitiously to fix the problem that you disliked and found that they tried to go farther than they could handle. That's bad, but I feel like you are acting like they abandoned their audience instead of trying to address a key concern - the very one that you mentioned.
Failing, was bad. But trying to make a FreePBX replacement interface was a very great idea.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I have no real stake in the game because I've never used it. I did install it, and frankly I hated the interface compared to FreePBX, which I disliked compared to Mitel's interface.
Which did you install? They are both FreePBX interfaces, it's FreePBX as an interface that I dislike. Elastix 4's interface is my favourite of the three.
Elastix is very much not just FreePBX interface. In 2.X the when you are in the FreePBX section of the interface, it is jammed into an iFrame or panel and is a very old version of the FreePBX interface.
The current FreePBX design is straightforward and flowing using a more modern design..
I have not install Elastix 4 yet.
I believe the GUI you typically rail on is PBX in a Flash.
