Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I understand you make the point that white collar professionals don't really work in these types of positions. But then again, is there no such think as a white collar professional finance manager? If their work has to be done by 8:30am, then it has to be done, whether set hours or freeform. This is a time constraint no matter how you slice it.
Done by and done at are not the same. That's done by, and that's fine. They could do it from home, the day before, moments before, in the office, overnight, from an airplane... it's about getting it done.
Here is another way to picture this...
Do you care what gets down? Or do you care how it gets done?
Are you focused on the proximate/means or the goal/ends? Professionals are measured on their output. Others are generally measured on their energy spent. Why anyone cares "how" is anyone's guess. You'd think companies would care about results.
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I would love to work from home, but if I'm working for a local business and a boss controls my time, then I want that time slot limited and to unplug from them the rest of the time. I don't want to go from feeling under control from 9-5 to being under control ALL the time which is how our salaried people felt. This is probably the boss's fault.
Exactly. Bad management. That's not someone who wants good people, that's someone who wants control. It's not a logical thing to want, it doesn't meet the business goals.
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
That type of on-call situation is stressful. If I make one mistake and say I'm driving out the woods and don't have signal and don't realize it, then horror of horrors someone tried to contact me for an hour and now I have a black mark on my "performance report" for slow turn around time. It's just a horrid way to live as far as what I just described.
I used to have that happen all of the time, but normally because I was in the office where people would pull me into meetings away from my phone, email, IM, etc. Going home is what let me answer the calls.
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I guess at the end of the day it all boils down NOT to how passionate someone is about their work, but rather how controlled they feel within the company.
One could argue that passionate people will be more likely to attempt to rectify that, rather than accepting and succumbing to it.
It's not passionate about the work, though, but the field. It's different. We don't want people who combine the two. A crappy job and a crappy manager that makes you hate your job should not affect your love of IT, those are separate things. We want people passionate about IT, no boss can take that away from you. Now if they are passionate about working and working for NTG, hey, even better.
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I don't at the moment. Combination of dying hardware which I haven't replaced yet, and new job which is taking up a lot of my time. That combined with some other life stuff has put it on the back burner. I'll get it set up again eventually, when I have something pressing that I really want to play with. I do miss having it a bit when answering questions. The type of things where I'm 99% sure that it works the way I think it does, but before I open my mouth in a post I just want to verify.
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@Patrick welcome to the community!
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@scottalanmiller said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
That type of on-call situation is stressful. If I make one mistake and say I'm driving out the woods and don't have signal and don't realize it, then horror of horrors someone tried to contact me for an hour and now I have a black mark on my "performance report" for slow turn around time. It's just a horrid way to live as far as what I just described.
I used to have that happen all of the time, but normally because I was in the office where people would pull me into meetings away from my phone, email, IM, etc. Going home is what let me answer the calls.
It's certainly a paradigm shift.
Do you have examples of where it was necessary to point out an employee whose output was not up to par? Where does freedom of time end and "let's get some work done here fella" begin?
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@scottalanmiller Thank you!
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Do you have examples of where it was necessary to point out an employee whose output was not up to par? Where does freedom of time end and "let's get some work done here fella" begin?
It's really all about productivity. It should never, in theory, be about "let's get work done here", but rather "let's get work done"
Yes, certainly some people just can't work and get stuff done. Rarely does it become a problem, the pursuit of passion really works great at preventing that problem for the most part.
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I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
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@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
Just lets you move on to another client that is ready to work with you!
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@StrongBad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
Just lets you move on to another client that is ready to work with you!
Says the guy using Lappy 486 to answer emails.
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@StrongBad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
Just lets you move on to another client that is ready to work with you!
Says the guy using Lappy 486 to answer emails.
Checkin' ma emails.
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@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@StrongBad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
Just lets you move on to another client that is ready to work with you!
Says the guy using Lappy 486 to answer emails.
Pine is still a perfectly viable email client, lol.
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@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@guyinpv said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@StrongBad said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
@dafyre said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
I'm like that... I want to help folks ge ttheir IT problems fixed... I really, really do. But I can't stand it when I'm working with a client and they take days or weeks to get back to me on something. Argh!
Just lets you move on to another client that is ready to work with you!
Says the guy using Lappy 486 to answer emails.
Pine is still a perfectly viable email client, lol.
Pine is to new for me, mutt is my bread'n'butter command line mail client
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A guy at my last office still used Pine when we went to O365. I don't think he ever got it working with it that I know of.
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I used Pine as my first email client. I remember those days well.
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IMO if someone doesn't have a home lab of some sort they don't truly care about IT as a whole. Would I hire a hardware geek on the other hand? Yes, chances are this person knows at the very least BIOS configurations, tons of software solutions and has basic troubleshooting skills. I guess it would really come down to the role I was hiring this person for in the end.
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@zuphzuph said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
IMO if someone doesn't have a home lab of some sort they don't truly care about IT as a whole.
Exactly. It's plausible that they still are passionate about IT, but they'd have to make a pretty good case for what was a good alternative (like their job provided an unlimited lab and they worked around the clock....something unique.)
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@zuphzuph said in Would You Hire Someone in IT Who Does Not Have a Home Lab:
Would I hire a hardware geek on the other hand? Yes, chances are this person knows at the very least BIOS configurations, tons of software solutions and has basic troubleshooting skills. I guess it would really come down to the role I was hiring this person for in the end.
Maybe for bench work. Hardware geeks tend to hate IT.
