@black3dynamite said in Centralized Management of KVM Hosts:

@scottalanmiller said in Centralized Management of KVM Hosts:

@emad-r said in Centralized Management of KVM Hosts:

@tim_g said in Centralized Management of KVM Hosts:

@travisdh1 said in Centralized Management of KVM Hosts:

That looks nightmareish for something that should be quite simple.

oVirt is super simple. They have a live boot ISO ready to go to install.

I dont think it is super simple at all, if you ask me it is big mess. Only usable in big IT corp.

What's difficult about it? In using it, it was just "install and bam, it worked". An SMB would find it far easier than the competition, from what I've used.

Isn’t there a script that can be reused at the end of setup, after installing the first time for quicker deployments?

That's easily possible, but not something that I've noticed.

@storageninja said in VMware on Azure?:

@nerdydad said in VMware on Azure?:

Kind of interesting in concept. Charges has to be outrageous though because one would be paying for both Azure and VMware licenses at the same time. Suppose Azure annually would be comparable to physical hardware on-prem throughout its lifetime.

Recently I discovered that I can restore a VM from Veeam on a VMware workload to Azure. I thought that was a twist.

The issue with doing a restore like that is it's typically a one way trip as...

Transit costs OUT of azure suck. You would have to switch to doing agent-based backups to get data out.

In the case of this announcement, it's unilateral (With VMware saying they were not consulted). Considering VMware licensing for hosting providers is a special program and Microsoft is not in it this leads to speculation that...

Are they trying to get another partner to deploy/manage it? This would likely breach the EULA on the hosting program as it prevented co-marketing/white label stuff like this the last time I read it.

Microsoft thinks it can offer vSphere as a service without joining the VMware Cloud Provider Program (This will likely be met with legal).

Azure is known to run on custom hardware servers. Unless they've got DL380's or something certified this will not be supported.


Wow, just wow.

@scottalanmiller said in Appropriate Use of Hyper-V Checkpoints:

@eddiejennings said in Appropriate Use of Hyper-V Checkpoints:

@jaredbusch said in Appropriate Use of Hyper-V Checkpoints:

@eddiejennings said in Appropriate Use of Hyper-V Checkpoints:

With this upcoming project of virtualizing our production stuff, I've been thinking through the appropriate use of checkpoints. I'm sure there are other articles on this, but this seemed to be a good read.

My grand idea is that checkpoints would be used before installing Windows updates or some upgrade to an application. You take the checkpoint, apply the update, and if everything breaks, you apply the checkpoint. If nothing breaks, then you delete the checkpoint.

I'm curious how this would be handled with a SQL Server VM or Redis VM. You'd update your VM, transactions start happening, then things break causing you to have to apply the checkpoint. Any transactions that were done would be lost, which upon further thinking probably doesn't matter, since you probably couldn't trust any data put into the database while the stuff was in the process of breaking.

You have to make sure you don’t have transactions coming in. Simple as that. Anything is a headache waiting to happen.

Makes sense. When I do maintenance on these normally, I stop IIS once downtime’s been announced, then do my work. So I’d just take the checkpoints at that point. I imagine once stuffs back up and I confirm things aren’t broken, Hyper-V just handles merging the avhdx file in such a way that SQL Server, etc is none the wiser. Or is there significant risk of stuff breaking if it’s running while that merge process takes place?

No real risk. Just performance loss.

And never enought to matter to any SMB workload I have ever had to deal with.

@JaredBusch said in KVM VM Replication:

@scottalanmiller said in KVM VM Replication:

Just using the search is best

Tags.

yeah, having tags on the topics makes them better than pinning.

@scottalanmiller said in SQL Server Backup Design:

@jaredbusch said in SQL Server Backup Design:

@tim_g said in SQL Server Backup Design:

I'm with Jared on this one...

Backing up through the application layer (SQL) as often as you can depending on change frequency. For example, every 15 minutes.

Hourly and daily through the SQL backup tools.

At least daily full VM backup at the hypervisor level.

I prefer backups that use a standard file format, so you don't have to rely on Veeam for example to restore it. Veeam has screwed up too many times for me to want to rely on it like that.

I have never had been fail

Except for statements like this.

For some reason Siri does not like Veeam yet. Even though correct it a lot

@scottalanmiller said in Home Network Setup:

@jmoore said in Home Network Setup:

@scottalanmiller said in Home Network Setup:

@dashrender said in Home Network Setup:

The whole crux of my ask was - the desire to buy as few Windows Server CALs as possible.

This is unrelated to the question asked, though.

you know i have noticed you and dash really communicate differently. not good or bad, just different. then you both have trouble understanding the other. from the many threads i have read with you two, that is the common theme i have seen.

I'd assume part of it is that I am highly literal. That tends to be a root of many communications issues for me in general.

yeah i think your right you are literal. i had to adjust my communication with you. that was my fault though, i am used to having to be so unliteral with my users because i would lose them that i got into that bad habit lol. i know for me, i was not explaining my thoughts in a well laid out way and that made me harder to understand and threw you off. did i do better that time?

@storageninja

(I know some Nutanix guys tried it but kept burning out SATA DOMs).

Sata dom? Who the f*** still uses them? Even when I was a c++ coder in automation industry we were phasing out them 3 years ago! Just mainteinance of production stuff.
Btw I see your point. For these applications
MS releases Windows embedded compact only

IMHO, dispersing the storage between the hosts and configuring data replication between them would be the best option.

Creating several tiers for the migration of your VMs is always nice to have - downtime strikes unexpectedly.

SDX Central wrote about the deal as well: https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/google-scale-unite-hci-google-cloud-platform/2017/09/

Scott Lowe at VMware even blogged about it: https://blogs.vmware.com/feed-items/scale-computing-hc3-cloud-unity-seeks-to-tear-down-infrastructure-and-application-walls/

Outside of tech, the deal is being talked about by the likes of Business Inside and Forbes:

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/Scale-Computing-Collaborates-with-Google-Cloud-to-Remove-Barriers-to-Cloud-Computing-with-Hybrid-Cloud-MobilityHC3-Cloud-Unity-combines-Scale-HC3-and-Google-Cloud-Platform-on-the-same-LAN-allowing-1002732170

https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2017/09/28/scale-computing-gets-cloudy-with-google/

@coliver said in If You're Close to DFW and Can't Go to Spiceworld...Go to DFW VMUG UserCon!:

@jt1001001 said in If You're Close to DFW and Can't Go to Spiceworld...Go to DFW VMUG UserCon!:

@NetworkNerd There is an Upstate NY VMUG UserCon coming up 10/5. Based on your recommendation I'm going to try and attend! Thanks!

Where is that one?

https://www.vmug.com/Attend/VMUG-UserCon/New-York-New-Jersey-VMUG-UserCon-2017
https://www.vmug.com/Attend/VMUG-UserCon/Upstate-NY-VMUG-UserCon-2017

Definitely go if you can. Sometimes the technical marketing folks from VMware come too and answer whatever questions you want to ask. After all, the price is right (free).

@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

@obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:

Any open source and free KVM backup software

FOSS is not a requirement to me.

If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable.

There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it.

But I cannot even install Unitrends on Hyper-V server.............

Are we allowed to post links from there?

Yes

Since when?

Since the person who made up that insane rule was removed from the site.

Would that insane person be Dave?

Who is Dave?

Nvm.

Oh, Dave from over there? I've never heard him called Dave before. Sorry, I knew it was a joke but couldn't figure out what the joke was.

@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:

@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:

As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.

For future reference to anyone wondering, I spoke to three different O365 reps today and they said the limit has been bumped to 1 million items so we'll be good for a while!

That's a bit more!

@jaredbusch said in How to Approach Installing Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@scottalanmiller you really need to think about your still image on these.

Also. I broke down and clicked on this one.

The lead in music was significantly louder than the audio after the lead in. that is bad.

That's been since addressed. Actually both things have. The videos from today (not posted yet) are with a still camera and audio tweaking. My dad does the final edits, and he added the intro music. So hopefully those two things are taken care of in about two videos from now.

@black3dynamite said in Installing LXC Containerization on openSuse Tumbleweed:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing LXC Containerization on openSuse Tumbleweed:

@black3dynamite said in Installing LXC Containerization on openSuse Tumbleweed:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing LXC Containerization on openSuse Tumbleweed:

I have to say, though, I prefer the Ubuntu LXD approach much better.

I know Canonical is a big supporter of LXD. Who is the big supporter for LXC?

LXD is just an interface for LXC. So Canonical supports LXC through LXD. The biggest contributors to LXC are Virtuozzo, IBM and Google.

So LXD makes it easier to manage LXC?

Yes

@scottalanmiller said in Wanting to Dual boot to test KVM.. Where do i begin?:

Has this project been supplanted by the Fedora on the old desktop project?

Yes sir

@nerdydad said in What Type of Hypervisor is Hyper-V? SAMIT Video:

Guess what version of Hyper-V I have.

0_1501287894163_tick box Hyper-v.PNG

The tick box version and not the right kind. Plus, I can't change this because this is the ERP system. I could just smack somebody.

You can change it by getting a PC set up with hyper V 2016 migrate to that then format the machine reinstall 2016 on the server hardware in migrate back.

@dashrender said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@jaredbusch said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@tim_g

@tim_g said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

@msff-amman-itofficer said in How Many Windows Server VMs Can You Run on Hyper-V SAMIT Video:

Oh and they provide the hyper v integration as cab file (guest agent):
windows6.x-hypervintegrationservices-x64.cab
I cant belive I complained when VIRT IO Tools was repackaged some time ago and they changed some folders in there ISO image, while MS gives you a .cab file and not even an executable.

What do you mean? What VM are you trying to install? You shouldn't need any integration tools at all for any modern operating system on a VM. They come built in and are updated via Windows Update (if running Windows OS)

If you install RHEL or CentOS, you can download a Linux Integration Services .ISO if you need to. You simply run the ./install.sh file. All other modern Linux OSs already have the Hyper-V Integration built in to the kernel.

This is what i am talking about:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/help/3063109/hyper-v-integration-components-update-for-windows-virtual-machines

Method 2: Microsoft Download Center

The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center.

Operating system Update
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 8.1 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 R2 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2012 Download Download the package now.
All supported x86-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows 7 Download Download the package now.
All supported x64-based versions of Windows Server 2008 R2 Download Download the package now.

Go to the download, and it is all .cab files.

WTF are you talking about. This is not DVD media. You are doing it wrong from the beginning.

Ofcourse I know this is not DVD media, those are the Hyper-V agents that MS wants you to install on your guest machine, MS calls them Hyper-V integration components.

ESXi and KVM Virt IO all provides much better ways to get this installed on your guest machines, and dont provide you a dumb .cab file.

Just because you are not capable of providing a share to get access the files from within the VM does not mean the process is stupid.

Who wants to mount ISO files from the hypervisor all the time just to update software in a guest VM? That is the stupid thing.

Okay, granted what are the commands to create share in Windows hyper-V standalone? I tried and failed, or the only way to do so is to have share outside hyper-V like NAS ? if so both KVM and ESXi can be easier in sending files directly to the host.

I dont want to go to fight about who is the best Virtualization platform cause that is pointless, but my trial wit Hyper-V is everything required 2 extra steps to get it configured. While the competition it can be done with one step.

Why are you trying to put these files on the hypervisor? They have no need to be on the hypervisor. You cannot download them there anyway why are you trying to put them there? The guest VM does not care where they are shared from. Just put them someplace accessible. or even download them directly in the guest VM.

I am not arguing best hypervisor platform. I am simply stating you are doing things wrong and causing your own problems.

I'm guessing that he might be saying that he has no NAS, and doesn't want to create a share from his desktop machine to make those ISOs available to the hypervisor.

ESXi allows you to have a folder on the DataStore that you can then reference. I did this for my ESXi server. Same goes for my XS, I had a local piece of storage on the hypervisor for ISOs.

I don't see an actual issue with this. The biggest one I seem is that you might be using more expensive disk to store ISOs instead of storing them on a NAS.

And Hyper-V lets you access share a folder too. It is all windows, so the admin share is there and active.

\\hypervservername\c$\somefolder

Mainly at home, however, i do keep a virtual machine running at work with it installed. Some things I just prefer to do using Fedora. I find it much more flexible and I just like the software better in a lot of cases.

Read this. especially if you're using the community version.

@jt1001001 It will only work if the CPU is 64 bits but the Vmware version is 32 bits.