@Donahue said in Why I See UTMs As Generally Bad in the Current Market: @scottalanmiller said in Why I See UTMs As Generally Bad in the Current Market: @Donahue said in Why I See UTMs As Generally Bad in the Current Market: The reason we went with Fortigate over an Edge router, is that the Edge router couldn't do the IPsec bandwidth we were trying to hit. But mine is an NGFW with UTM bundled in. Could there been some other product that I dont know of that would have been better in our case? ERL does nearly half of what you need... https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeRouter/ERL-Performance-Testing-with-IPSec-VPN/m-p/1053799#M44593 ER and ERPro are so much more powerful. The ER Pro has 2x the CPU power, and 4x the RAM. We'd expect it to be able to saturate your lines no problem. Of course that is "expect", but based on the ERL speeds, and that they run the same code, there is little doubt that it can push IPSec over 1Gig speeds. https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_DS.pdf Your link is what convinced me not to use the ER pro. the Pro's will only do <500 mbps at full capacity, its in the link you posted. Where in it? Oh, I see. he mentions ER Pro in another post, then posts them without stating what they are in a thread on ERLs. VERY confusing.