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    • coliverC
      coliver @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said:

      @coliver said:

      Wish they had junior admin positions available within 50 miles of where I live. Nothing even close to Linux like around.

      SMBs and rural locations can't consider Linux mostly because there aren't enough Linux admins in the word for any smaller shops to start investing in that direction. The lack of talent is completely crippling the market, and even so it is growing like crazy.

      Even the local colleges and hospitals have minimal Linux deployments. Makes it hard to get a start in that specialization. Seems like a self-defeating mentality, we can't deploy it because we don't have anyone to manage it. There is no one to manage it because the infrastructure isn't there to help train them.

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        A Former User @coliver
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        @coliver said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        @coliver said:

        Wish they had junior admin positions available within 50 miles of where I live. Nothing even close to Linux like around.

        SMBs and rural locations can't consider Linux mostly because there aren't enough Linux admins in the word for any smaller shops to start investing in that direction. The lack of talent is completely crippling the market, and even so it is growing like crazy.

        Even the local colleges and hospitals have minimal Linux deployments. Makes it hard to get a start in that specialization. Seems like a self-defeating mentality, we can't deploy it because we don't have anyone to manage it. There is no one to manage it because the infrastructure isn't there to help train them.

        Why? I mean personally I think Linux is easier to manage than a window server, and I'm not even counting the oddities that can happen with group policy since there's nothing to compare it to on the linux side.

        I personally am pretty big on using open source solutions when it makes sense to. so I've added linux to most every environment I've touch. usually in the form of debian or CentOS servers. They make great content filters, web servers among many other things.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @coliver
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          @coliver said:

          Even the local colleges and hospitals have minimal Linux deployments. Makes it hard to get a start in that specialization. Seems like a self-defeating mentality, we can't deploy it because we don't have anyone to manage it. There is no one to manage it because the infrastructure isn't there to help train them.

          Rarely does anyone defeat SMBs but themselves.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            No one should need Linux at work to get experience. Linux is free. Everyone can get it at home and learn it on their own if they want.

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            • mlnewsM
              mlnews
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              ZDNet writes about the same issue: Companies Really Want Linux Savvy Employees and They Want Them Now.

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              • stacksofplatesS
                stacksofplates @coliver
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                @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @stacksofplates
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                  @johnhooks said:

                  @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

                  Because that is where the money is. The office workers need more than just the records software. For the vast majority of office workers that means word/excel/outlook and that means Windows.

                  Why waste the time trying to develop an application for Linux when no one will buy it?

                  Server side, it makes no sense to develop for Windows server as that adds cost to the person you are selling to. They already have desktops, but they may not have a server. You provide a solution that runs on a free server OS and you have magic business solutions.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @johnhooks said:

                    @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

                    Because that is where the money is. The office workers need more than just the records software. For the vast majority of office workers that means word/excel/outlook and that means Windows.

                    Why waste the time trying to develop an application for Linux when no one will buy it?

                    Server side, it makes no sense to develop for Windows server as that adds cost to the person you are selling to. They already have desktops, but they may not have a server. You provide a solution that runs on a free server OS and you have magic business solutions.

                    Not that $600-800 for a Windows license isn't nothing, but I really doubt that's killing a project like EHR installs.

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                    • stacksofplatesS
                      stacksofplates @JaredBusch
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                      @JaredBusch Good point. I found it a little weird because the install process is literally a bunch of batch scripts. You have to call their "tech support" when you add a new client. They download some batch scripts to the pc from their website and then run them. So now that I think about it, I don't know whether the program is just copied to the client from the server or if the application is some kind of Java/something else. It doesn't look like a native windows application (if that makes sense) the way it behaves, almost looks like a web app. I guess that's why I was thinking that way.

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                      • stacksofplatesS
                        stacksofplates
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                        Obviously looks don't mean that much, but the way the menus slide in and fade out, things like that.

                        Referral.PNG

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                        • stacksofplatesS
                          stacksofplates @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender I agree. The one office only has four employees and a doctor. The whole system cost $40K and $300 a month for support. So the windows licenses are next to nothing.

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                          • ?
                            A Former User @stacksofplates
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                            @johnhooks said:

                            Obviously looks don't mean that much, but the way the menus slide in and fade out, things like that.

                            Referral.PNG

                            I hope that's not a real patient record.

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                            • ?
                              A Former User @stacksofplates
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                              @johnhooks said:

                              @JaredBusch Good point. I found it a little weird because the install process is literally a bunch of batch scripts.

                              That's not that unusual.

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                              • stacksofplatesS
                                stacksofplates @A Former User
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                                @thecreativeone91 Off google images, so I have no idea.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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                                  @johnhooks said:

                                  @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

                                  No real connection between the two. Since the back end and the front end are presumably not tightly coupled, the decision as to what to use for one would have no influence on the other.

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver @stacksofplates
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                                    @johnhooks said:

                                    @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

                                    I'm always more surprised that companies are still making OS specific apps. It seems like programming for the web has gotten to the point where this would be almost unnecessary... especially since you then don't have to worry about the underlying OS as much.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                      @coliver said:

                                      @johnhooks said:

                                      @coliver I've done work for a few doctor's offices around here. They've switched to Medent for their medical records. They deploy on-site CentOS servers, but their clients are only Windows based. I haven't seen the back end, so it could possibly be just an Oracle or DB2 server, but why develop on Linux and then not have a Linux client?

                                      I'm always more surprised that companies are still making OS specific apps. It seems like programming for the web has gotten to the point where this would be almost unnecessary... especially since you then don't have to worry about the underlying OS as much.

                                      Yup, almost exclusively shops that feel that they have no need to be competitive and keep up with the industry.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre
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                                        What I don't get is why these companies don't promote from within... They've already (hopefully) got some type of IT Talent pool. Promote the internal guy and get him trained up and give him a little pay raise... and then hire somebody to do the internal guy's job at an entry level pay scale for that job?

                                        Everybody wins... We all know that HR wanting somebody with 12 years of experience really means they want somebody who can handle a Linux Box decently, as well as fix the coffee maker, change light bulbs, catch pests and make the web site contact aliens from Mars.

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                                        • ?
                                          A Former User @dafyre
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                                          @dafyre said:

                                          What I don't get is why these companies don't promote from within...

                                          We always prefer prompting from within if we can. It doesn't happen as much for someone to transfer out of another department into IT because they usually lack even the basic skills but we promote every where else and inside of the IT department.

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                                          • ?
                                            A Former User
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                                            Some of our DevOPs Programmers used to be mechanical engineers.

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