US goverment, Anything on the Internet is an Export.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@dafyre said:
The problem is that once you have someone else telling you what a law means is the moment you have given up your freedom. Yes, I realize that our form of government has been in operation for almost 2 and a half centuries. Yes, I also believe our freedoms have been eroding since that time.
But it is widely seen as not being very free. And two and a half centuries is a tiny amount compared to historically stable governments (Pax Romana, Persian Empire, Holy Rome, Rome, etc.)
I don't feel our freedoms are eroding, not across the board. They are expanding. In what way do "we" have fewer freedoms (that don't involve oppressing others) that before?
Freedom of travel. It's much more scrutinized if not flat out hindered than before.
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@Dashrender said:
Freedom of travel. It's much more scrutinized if not flat out hindered than before.
See that's one that I thought had improved. We are completely free to move everywhere now (inside of the country.) Do you mean into and out of the country?
In what way do you see the freedom reducing?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Freedom of travel. It's much more scrutinized if not flat out hindered than before.
See that's one that I thought had improved. We are completely free to move everywhere now (inside of the country.) Do you mean into and out of the country?
In what way do you see the freedom reducing?
I'm not sure how far back you'd have to go to find the ability to move around within the country hindered - I've never seen that personally, but I've only been here for 40 years.
I'm talking about internationally.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
But, I don't think the flag should be banned or made illegal.
Is there some political group of note that is actually attempting to ban it? I know companies are and I know that states are taking it down. I'm sure fringe political groups are trying to ban it, but they always have. Someone is trying to ban the US flag and coffee too, but they are never going to see it get to a vote. But is there someone actually potentially going to get this to a vote? I feel like that's the feeling that people have and maybe I'm missing some amount of force behind this but the impression that I have is only that its localized use is being curtailed, at a local level by local oversight (state or smaller level.)
Making it illegal is foolish and without precedence. We can fly the British flag and that could imply that we wish to rejoin the crown.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm talking about internationally.
Okay, then yes, I agree that in the last 70+ years that freedom has reduced significantly. But more than 100 years ago, I'm not confident that that is true . Could be, but I have no idea if there were difficulties moving over borders in 1800 or 1850 or 1900. My impression is that in those eras that international travel was harder and less free. I could totally be wrong, but that's my impression.
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The power is with the people, if they choose to exercise it.
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The probelm is convincing others that they need to wield the power. Although for certain circles and certain topics that is not really an issue.
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@dafyre said:
The probelm is convincing others that they need to wield the power. Although for certain circles and certain topics that is not really an issue.
But what are the 2 biggest problems in this area? Ignorance and apathy? Well, I don't know and I don't care.
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@art_of_shred said:
@dafyre said:
The probelm is convincing others that they need to wield the power. Although for certain circles and certain topics that is not really an issue.
But what are the 2 biggest problems in this area? Ignorance and apathy? Well, I don't know and I don't care.
Ha hah a. Either of the two sounds about right.
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@dafyre said:
@art_of_shred said:
@dafyre said:
The probelm is convincing others that they need to wield the power. Although for certain circles and certain topics that is not really an issue.
But what are the 2 biggest problems in this area? Ignorance and apathy? Well, I don't know and I don't care.
Ha hah a. Either of the two sounds about right.
Ha, It's not either, it's both sound right.
