Cloud services - what are they - REALLY?
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@Breffni-Potter Why not? I think even your single-server PHP / SQL based contact list could be a cloud app.
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@dafyre and that's what makes the term "cloud" or "cloud app" worthless. Does it really matter if it works on the internet? OK maybe it does, but the point is really more about cloud computing.. not simply the fact that you can access it via the internet.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
What I'm trying to say is not everything IS a cloud app. Just because it runs on the internet on someone else's server does not make it a cloud app
What I'm saying is is that it IS that simple. There is absolutely nothing implied in the term cloud app to suggest the slightest bit more than that. Reading into it causes confusion. The marketing term cloud, as in "on the cloud" literally means absolutely nothing other than something running over the Internet.
Netflix is actually the best "cloud app" example possible as it is cloud by every definition that there is - both "the cloud", the marketing term, and it runs on a cloud, the technical term.
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@dafyre said:
@Breffni-Potter Why not? I think even your single-server PHP / SQL based contact list could be a cloud app.
Without a doubt, as long as it traverses a WAN link.
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@dafyre
You "could" be a genius billionaire playboy philanthropist with a collection of high powered armoured suits. I'm not saying the cloud term has not been ruined and abused by the marketing nutters. I'm just suggesting why not start to change it? -
@Dashrender said:
@dafyre and that's what makes the term "cloud" or "cloud app" worthless. Does it really matter if it works on the internet? OK maybe it does, but the point is really more about cloud computing.. not simply the fact that you can access it via the internet.
Right, there is a reason that "cloud app" is a marketing term, it is for non-technical people to say it is over the internet.
Cloud Computing is the IT term and is very, very specific and has nothing to do with the Internet.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@dafyre
You "could" be a genius billionaire playboy philanthropist with a collection of high powered armoured suits. I'm not saying the cloud term has not been ruined and abused by the marketing nutters. I'm just suggesting why not start to change it?Because there is no need for it at all. It's a redundant term. If you try to add something meaningful to something that has no meaning you simply empower marketers to mislead people. Like what has happened with SAN.
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Before it was called "cloud" it was called "hosted" or just "over the Internet." The term "cloud app" is always redundant with terms that were heavily in use and meaningful by the mid-1990s.
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At NTG, one day we were a "hosted application vendor", circa 1999. Then one day in the mid-2000s it turned out that overnight we had become an established, mature, long term SaaS cloud vendor.
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Maybe it's just my inner rebel, refusing to bow down to marketing
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@Breffni-Potter If I makes you feel any better, I tend to refer to stuff hosted on a web site somewhere as web apps instead of cloud apps. 8-)
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Maybe it's just my inner rebel, refusing to bow down to marketing
All you have to do is ignore the term or learn to hear "hosted" and marketing looses all of its power. The marketing only works when people associated more with the term than exists.
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You can't, but assuming you could redefine cloud to something else, what would you even want to be associated with the term? What do we currently lack a term for?
