Interview at IBM Tommorrow(26-Apr-2015)
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
While AJ is being a little pedantic, he has a very important point. You continue not to learn from mistakes and advice. You use English slang when you are struggling with the base language. This is a bad idea. You should avoid slang as it gets you into trouble. Don't try to be clever or to fake being a native speaker. Focus on being clear and communicative. Get the point across and avoid ignoring things you don't understand and don't use terms you do not understand fully. Don't shorten words unnecessarily. Using mail instead of email is a pointless shortening, how many posts in this thread have been written because you wanted to save one character?
While you are working on learning the language stick to trying to clear, concise writing. Work on accuracy.
This. This times 1000! I may seem like I'm being an ass to you, but I'm trying to make a point you don't seem to be getting. Your word choice, grammar, and spelling all make it obvious you are not a native English speaker. Scott's point about trying to fake being a native English speaker is exactly right. It feels like you're trying to fit in with us or maybe even impress us by writing the way you do. However, all it does is make your message harder to read, it distracts me because all your mistakes are as blatant as a flashing neon sign at midnight, and it's also unprofessional.
To be honest, even if your technical skills were amazing, which isn't the case, many jobs would probably disqualify you based on your level of competency with English. If it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you, I am. You ask technical questions, we give you a spelled out, step-by-step answer in many cases, and you completely ignore us.
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent. If you aren't sure what the proper use of a word is, don't use it. If you can't find a suitable replacement, ask one of us. I've offered to help you with your wording and also offered to help you improve your English. But right now, from both a technical and grammatical standpoint, it feels like you're asking question after question just to waste our time. You may sincerely want to know the answer, but if you simply refuse the answers your given or ignore them, then we can't help you.
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Again, I like helping people. Most people view someone who constantly corrects someone as haughty or kind of a jackass. @scottalanmiller can back me up on this, but when people with my type of mind correct you, it's to benefit you. We aren't trying to make you feel stupid or foolish. We're trying to tell you that what you're currently saying/doing is wrong, and that if you fix it, you'll be better for it. Maybe that's one reason I handle criticism so well. Anyways, from now on, when you're writing your posts, I want you to imagine that your dream job in the US depended on how your post read and if it made sense to a native English speaker. Maybe that will help you take it more seriously. Take it from me: if you build a good reputation online, it can open A LOT of doors for you in your career. But having the English skills that don't match that of most elementary/grammar/grade school kids who are native English speakers will be the biggest detriment you can have.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Lakshmana said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have mailed the Manager at IBM,Bangalore and they dont even replied after I have mailed herEmailed her I assume?
While AJ is being a little pedantic, he has a very important point. You continue not to learn from mistakes and advice. You use English slang when you are struggling with the base language. This is a bad idea. You should avoid slang as it gets you into trouble. Don't try to be clever or to fake being a native speaker. Focus on being clear and communicative. Get the point across and avoid ignoring things you don't understand and don't use terms you do not understand fully. Don't shorten words unnecessarily. Using mail instead of email is a pointless shortening, how many posts in this thread have been written because you wanted to save one character?
While you are working on learning the language stick to trying to clear, concise writing. Work on accuracy.
This. This times 1000! I may seem like I'm being an ass to you, but I'm trying to make a point you don't seem to be getting. Your word choice, grammar, and spelling all make it obvious you are not a native English speaker. Scott's point about trying to fake being a native English speaker is exactly right. It feels like you're trying to fit in with us or maybe even impress us by writing the way you do. However, all it does is make your message harder to read, it distracts me because all your mistakes are as blatant as a flashing neon sign at midnight, and it's also unprofessional.
To be honest, even if your technical skills were amazing, which isn't the case, many jobs would probably disqualify you based on your level of competency with English. If it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you, I am. You ask technical questions, we give you a spelled out, step-by-step answer in many cases, and you completely ignore us.
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent. If you aren't sure what the proper use of a word is, don't use it. If you can't find a suitable replacement, ask one of us. I've offered to help you with your wording and also offered to help you improve your English. But right now, from both a technical and grammatical standpoint, it feels like you're asking question after question just to waste our time. You may sincerely want to know the answer, but if you simply refuse the answers your given or ignore them, then we can't help you.
That is very harsh and probably would have been better for a private message.
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@Lakshmana Thank you for all your questions and particpation. Keep up the posting. You are doing fine. If you have any concerns or want to verify the validity of a possible interview. We are here to help, not attack you.
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@IRJ said:
@Lakshmana Thank you for all your questions and particpation. Keep up the posting. You are doing fine. If you have any concerns or want to verify the validity of a possible interview. We are here to help, not attack you.
Absolutely. And feel free to provide details early. You've been getting "attacked" a bit recently, it seems, by scam job offerings. I'm sure that this is a big business in India. We might be able to review this stuff before it happens to increase your safety and, hopefully, teach you the signs to look for so that you can recognize a scam before it goes too far.
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Ok Thank you to one all.I will inform the status for the jobs as well as the thread
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Again, I like helping people. Most people view someone who constantly corrects someone as haughty or kind of a jackass. @scottalanmiller can back me up on this, but when people with my type of mind correct you, it's to benefit you.
If you look like a jackass, smell like a jackass, and sound like a jackass, guess what? You're probably a jackass. Saying "people with my type of mind" is just a cop-out, I don't know why you're name dropping Scott - I don't see him being a jackass.
@thanksajdotcom said:
I want you to understand something: the way you word things might be understood by the people you work with in India, but to the rest of the world, it just makes you look lazy or incompetent.
To you maybe. To me it makes him look like someone whose native language isn't English. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this is an international forum not an American one. I don't see any rules that say you have a certain level of English to post. I'm guessing you live and work somewhere where everyone speaks good English. Lucky you. I don't. His English is better than a lot of my colleagues. We just get on with it. I understand him just fine. Stop writing on behalf of "the rest of the world" - you don't represent me. I could just as easily say to you "the way you word things might be understood by the people in America, but to the rest of the world, it makes you look like a condescending jack-ass."
As someone who is hopeless at foreign languages, I'm impressed by anyone who can post in a foreign language on a forum. I know that if I posted on a French forum and there was someone like you dissing my French constantly I'd have quit ages ago, so fair play to @lakshmana for sticking with us.
PS I still love ya, AJ
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@Carnival-Boy Thanks for your suggestion and I will improve my English Knowledge and writing skills as soon as possible.
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@Lakshmana said:
@Carnival-Boy Thanks for your suggestion and I will improve my English Knowledge and writing skills as soon as possible.
Do it because you want to. Not because some one tells you to..
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@Carnival-Boy said:
To you maybe. To me it makes him look like someone whose native language isn't English. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this is an international forum not an American one. I don't see any rules that say you have a certain level of English to post. I'm guessing you live and work somewhere where everyone speaks good English. Lucky you. I don't. His English is better than a lot of my colleagues. We just get on with it. I understand him just fine. Stop writing on behalf of "the rest of the world" - you don't represent me. I could just as easily say to you "the way you word things might be understood by the people in America, but to the rest of the world, it makes you look like a condescending jack-ass."r
He looks the same to enough Americans that I could you asses,error
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Again, I like helping people. Most people view someone who constantly corrects someone as haughty or kind of a jackass. @scottalanmiller can back me up on this, but when people with my type of mind correct you, it's to benefit you.
If you look like a jackass, smell like a jackass, and sound like a jackass, guess what? You're probably a jackass. Saying "people with my type of mind" is just a cop-out, I don't know why you're name dropping Scott - I don't see him being a jackass.
I name dropped @scottalanmiller because he understands how I think. Most people will constantly correct someone to be condescending. That's not me. I do it because I want to help someone and help them improve. It's the exact opposite motivation as most people. I know most people don't understand that and quite literally have a mental block that means they can't. They are so conditioned to how it is with most of the world.
Still, from a statistical standpoint, people like me and @scottalanmiller are a tiny percentage of the population.
