Fifteen Best Cities That You Never Thought of For Tech Jobs
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Speaking of Rochester, saw this petition this morning and was pretty surprised to see my home town on it!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of Rochester, saw this petition this morning and was pretty surprised to see my home town on it!
How do the sponsored petitions work? I can't imagine someone paid to have a ridesharing petition show up.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of Rochester, saw this petition this morning and was pretty surprised to see my home town on it!
How do the sponsored petitions work? I can't imagine someone paid to have a ridesharing petition show up.
Yup, that's exactly what that means. It could be sponsored by a company (like I often sign ones sponsored by the World Wildlife Fund) or it could be sponsored by an individual. If you go sign that (or any) petition, you should be presented with an option to sponsor it if you would like. Can be very small, like $5 or $10 (not sure on the minimum) and can go pretty high, like $100 before you get into custom stuff.
If you have your own petition and want to get the word out, you can sponsor it yourself.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Speaking of Rochester, saw this petition this morning and was pretty surprised to see my home town on it!
How do the sponsored petitions work? I can't imagine someone paid to have a ridesharing petition show up.
Yup, that's exactly what that means. It could be sponsored by a company (like I often sign ones sponsored by the World Wildlife Fund) or it could be sponsored by an individual. If you go sign that (or any) petition, you should be presented with an option to sponsor it if you would like. Can be very small, like $5 or $10 (not sure on the minimum) and can go pretty high, like $100 before you get into custom stuff.
If you have your own petition and want to get the word out, you can sponsor it yourself.
Ah, ok... I thought it was done differently then that. Good to know how sponsorship works. Now that I think about it the way I thought it worked wouldn't work at all.
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I've mostly noticed NGOs being the sponsors, but individuals, normal companies and political groups would all be obvious choices. I am surprised that more political groups are not sponsors as it would be perfect for them.
And the petitions can be for anything. Not just to governments or whatever. So if you wanted to start a petition to Dell to get them to change their servers to being powder-coated in Italian race car yellow, you could start a petition and put a hundred bucks in to get it some attention and then, when you've collected half a million signatures, submit it to Michael Dell to convince him that there is a market demanding yellow servers.
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I've seen petitions trying to get the cast of television shows changed. That seems to be oddly popular.
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Not surprised by Omaha. Tons of call centers and support stuff is out of Omaha, in my experience.
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Now Baton Rouge, that's surprising...
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@thanksaj said:
Now Baton Rouge, that's surprising...
Yeah, I drive through there regularly and... what?
And how did Dallas and Houston not make the list when half of those places did?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Now Baton Rouge, that's surprising...
Yeah, I drive through there regularly and... what?
And how did Dallas and Houston not make the list when half of those places did?
Dallas might not have made the list for the same reason NYC and Silicon Valley didn't.... too obvious.
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It's also possible that because SO many of the jobs in the Dallas area are lowering paying jobs, and this is about the average salary and not the number of jobs, that Dallas didn't make the list. The vast majority of IT jobs in Dallas are call-center jobs that don't pay well.
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@thanksaj said:
It's also possible that because SO many of the jobs in the Dallas area are lowering paying jobs, and this is about the average salary and not the number of jobs, that Dallas didn't make the list. The vast majority of IT jobs in Dallas are call-center jobs that don't pay well.
True, Dallas is not at the top of the payscales by any stretch. But it is definitely not primarily a call center city. Deal with the Datamart and stuff and it is a decent amount of fairly high end IT.
What this list REALLY deals with is software engineering, something that Dallas does not do. That's why Austin, which has no IT, is on the list.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
It's also possible that because SO many of the jobs in the Dallas area are lowering paying jobs, and this is about the average salary and not the number of jobs, that Dallas didn't make the list. The vast majority of IT jobs in Dallas are call-center jobs that don't pay well.
True, Dallas is not at the top of the payscales by any stretch. But it is definitely not primarily a call center city. Deal with the Datamart and stuff and it is a decent amount of fairly high end IT.
What this list REALLY deals with is software engineering, something that Dallas does not do. That's why Austin, which has no IT, is on the list.
I don't know Scott. Even the jobs that aren't at the major companies like Verizon and Intel Security are with MSPs that work primarily remotely, so still basically a call center. Every job I had in Dallas was at some form of a call center. And that's the vast majority of the jobs.
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@scottalanmiller , yeah, software dev jobs pay well, even though they are, like you said, by no means IT. An entry-level dev job pays along the lines of a lot of senior level IT jobs, in my experience.
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@thanksaj said:
@scottalanmiller , yeah, software dev jobs pay well, even though they are, like you said, by no means IT. An entry-level dev job pays along the lines of a lot of senior level IT jobs, in my experience.
Not quite, but it does generally lack the low end jobs that IT has (there is no call center equivalent in software engineering.)
Austin pays horribly for IT, far lower than Dallas.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
@scottalanmiller , yeah, software dev jobs pay well, even though they are, like you said, by no means IT. An entry-level dev job pays along the lines of a lot of senior level IT jobs, in my experience.
Not quite, but it does generally lack the low end jobs that IT has (there is no call center equivalent in software engineering.)
Austin pays horribly for IT, far lower than Dallas.
I know that's not a perfect comparison, but entry level devs can start at 50 or 60K, which is what I've seen tons of senior engineers make in IT.
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@thanksaj said:
I know that's not a perfect comparison, but entry level devs can start at 50 or 60K, which is what I've seen tons of senior engineers make in IT.
That's not a real senior salary. You are seeing people get senior as a title in lieu of pay. Those are more likely to be mid-levels getting a senior title to make them happy for getting so much lower than even mid-level pay. Not for full time people. No real senior engineer is working full time and getting $50K, even if you live in low cost countries you'll make that much. You can make that doing outsourced work in India if you are a senior engineer level.
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The problem is, companies handle out both "senior" and "engineer" to people who are not doing either to make their positions sound more attractive. It really causes problems because then people go on Glassdoor and report really low rates for the industry that are far lower than they really are.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The problem is, companies handle out both "senior" and "engineer" to people who are not doing either to make their positions sound more attractive. It really causes problems because then people go on Glassdoor and report really low rates for the industry that are far lower than they really are.
Yeah, my title at the new job is Level 1 TAC Engineer. I don't choose it but it is what it is.
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@thanksaj said:
It's also possible that because SO many of the jobs in the Dallas area are lowering paying jobs, and this is about the average salary and not the number of jobs, that Dallas didn't make the list. The vast majority of IT jobs in Dallas are call-center jobs that don't pay well.
Just for you.
HP (EDS) and Dell (PerotSystems) have mostly six figure jobs. Contact centers are normal here, because everyone needs to start somewhere. But there are plenty of high paying IT jobs out there, you just don't have access to them yet. Things like with the finance industry at Comerica, accounting firms like KPMG, big oil in ExxonMobil, and telecommunications with AT&T. And that's JUST the Dallas side of the DFW Metroplex. There are 18 Fortune 500 companies based in DFW, not to mention all the others out there with large operations here or smaller companies based here.
You skew a different way, come back with 10 years experience, you will see a very different landscape.
