Edgerouter X - Small Office
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@scottalanmiller What would you recommend as a cost effective solution for 5-10 users. I used to use watchguard on 50-100 users.
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@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller What would you recommend as a cost effective solution for 5-10 users. I used to use watchguard on 50-100 users.
Users just doesn't matter. What's the connection speed from the ISP?
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@scottalanmiller roughly 50-70mbps on average on most clients round here.
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@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller roughly 50-70mbps on average on most clients round here.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-ER-4-EdgeRouter-4/dp/B078PGCGN2
EdgeRouter 4
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@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
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@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
No problem.
The "4" is a really nice unit. Still small, but really powerful.
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@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
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@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to drive home.
If your 100 Mb/s or less, an ER-X will be fine... if you're over 100 Mb/s, I think Jared's test might have shown throttling at something like 150 Mb/s, perhaps closer to 200 Mb/s...
Therefore if you have a connection over 100, you should consider a different device.
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@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to drive home.
If your 100 Mb/s or less, an ER-X will be fine... if you're over 100 Mb/s, I think Jared's test might have shown throttling at something like 150 Mb/s, perhaps closer to 200 Mb/s...
Therefore if you have a connection over 100, you should consider a different device.
ER-X up to ~80Mb/s if I remember correctly. The ER-PoE I have at home will do ~140Mb/s. ER-4 is what I recommend today to most businesses around here, but I haven't done or seen any testing to get an idea of what I/we could expect from them with QoS turned on.
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@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to drive home.
If your 100 Mb/s or less, an ER-X will be fine... if you're over 100 Mb/s, I think Jared's test might have shown throttling at something like 150 Mb/s, perhaps closer to 200 Mb/s...
Therefore if you have a connection over 100, you should consider a different device.
Assuming you don't ever want a VPN or anything.
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@travisdh1 said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to drive home.
If your 100 Mb/s or less, an ER-X will be fine... if you're over 100 Mb/s, I think Jared's test might have shown throttling at something like 150 Mb/s, perhaps closer to 200 Mb/s...
Therefore if you have a connection over 100, you should consider a different device.
ER-X up to ~80Mb/s if I remember correctly. The ER-PoE I have at home will do ~140Mb/s. ER-4 is what I recommend today to most businesses around here, but I haven't done or seen any testing to get an idea of what I/we could expect from them with QoS turned on.
Yeah, up to, with no features. And I believe that's COMBINED throughput, not one way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@travisdh1 said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@dashrender said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan Maybe two users? But it's 100% about the connection speed. Even one user is too many in most any situation.
ERL 4 is the smallest I'd buy today because of the price point.
You've seen an issue with one user? other than that user using the whole ISP connection (which can always happen) - what issue?
The issue is throughput. Users are not a factor, at all, in any way. If a single user is on a faster connection than the device can handle, that single user gets throttled. If you have 10,000 users at a dial up connection, the ER-X won't be any kind of a problem.
Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to drive home.
If your 100 Mb/s or less, an ER-X will be fine... if you're over 100 Mb/s, I think Jared's test might have shown throttling at something like 150 Mb/s, perhaps closer to 200 Mb/s...
Therefore if you have a connection over 100, you should consider a different device.
ER-X up to ~80Mb/s if I remember correctly. The ER-PoE I have at home will do ~140Mb/s. ER-4 is what I recommend today to most businesses around here, but I haven't done or seen any testing to get an idea of what I/we could expect from them with QoS turned on.
Yeah, up to, with no features. And I believe that's COMBINED throughput, not one way.
If you leave them to just routing without any features like QoS turned on, they should all route at full line speed because they can use the built-in ASIC. Unless something has majorly changed in the past year or so.
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I had 2 of ER-X, first one was bricked with 2.0 firmware update, 2nd I left at 1.9 if I remember correctly. The throughput numbers mentioned above just don't look right, this router will handle 1Gbit/s with some caveats. You need to enable hardware offload, and it kind of behaves like half-duplex. I constantly had download speeds exceeding 900Mbit/s, but if my upload spiked, download suffered.
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@marcinozga I'm currently running EdgeOSv2.0.9-hotfix.2
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@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
No problem.
The "4" is a really nice unit. Still small, but really powerful.
This really is your only choice right now if buying from UI direct. It's the only router they have available in stock. Is there a link to "Jared's test" ?
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@marcinozga said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
I had 2 of ER-X, first one was bricked with 2.0 firmware update, 2nd I left at 1.9 if I remember correctly. The throughput numbers mentioned above just don't look right, this router will handle 1Gbit/s with some caveats. You need to enable hardware offload, and it kind of behaves like half-duplex. I constantly had download speeds exceeding 900Mbit/s, but if my upload spiked, download suffered.
That's what I've been saying. It's not till you start enabling features that can not be offloaded to the ASIC that you see the performance numbers I listed. The thing is, in almost all my deployed firewalls QoS is turned on, so I have to take the lower number into account instead of pure routing performance.
That could very easily be different depending on the situation.
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@krzykat said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
No problem.
The "4" is a really nice unit. Still small, but really powerful.
This really is your only choice right now if buying from UI direct. It's the only router they have available in stock. Is there a link to "Jared's test" ?
Posted somewhere on this forum.
The ERL gets ~60mbps with QoS enabled. I honestly cannot recall what the ER-X did. I thought it was in the 150mbps range, but my memory is not the best thing in the world.
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@jaredbusch said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@krzykat said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
No problem.
The "4" is a really nice unit. Still small, but really powerful.
This really is your only choice right now if buying from UI direct. It's the only router they have available in stock. Is there a link to "Jared's test" ?
Posted somewhere on this forum.
The ERL gets ~60mbps with QoS enabled. I honestly cannot recall what the ER-X did. I thought it was in the 150mbps range, but my memory is not the best thing in the world.
It IS a little faster than the ERL, faster CPU. Less RAM, though, so some features can cause it to struggle.
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@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@jaredbusch said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@krzykat said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@stuartjordan said in Edgerouter X - Small Office:
@scottalanmiller Thanks for the suggestion Scott.
No problem.
The "4" is a really nice unit. Still small, but really powerful.
This really is your only choice right now if buying from UI direct. It's the only router they have available in stock. Is there a link to "Jared's test" ?
Posted somewhere on this forum.
The ERL gets ~60mbps with QoS enabled. I honestly cannot recall what the ER-X did. I thought it was in the 150mbps range, but my memory is not the best thing in the world.
It IS a little faster than the ERL, faster CPU. Less RAM, though, so some features can cause it to struggle.
QoS and other non-offloaded things are all CPU constrained. Unless you load up extra processes on anything in the ER line, you will not typically run into any kind of memory constraint.
