Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020
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@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
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@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
It's anywhere from twice to 3 times as much to spray foam new construction.
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
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Based on the spec sheet of that foam 1.5" of wet foam would completely fill a modern 2x4 timber house, which would be ~18.6 R value in your walls (which is crazy high).
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@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
That's it? We need to replace the insulation in our attic. Might have to do it ourselves if the DIY spray foam is that cheap now.
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@travisdh1 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
That's it? We need to replace the insulation in our attic. Might have to do it ourselves if the DIY spray foam is that cheap now.
Yeah, that's per kit, each kit covers ~200 sqf at 1". It wouldn't be unexpected to need 2 or 3 kits to cover a single crawlspace attic.
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@travisdh1 but even at $770 a kit, it's not an insane amount of money when you can easily recoup the cost in energy savings from heating and cooling.
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@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
That's it? We need to replace the insulation in our attic. Might have to do it ourselves if the DIY spray foam is that cheap now.
Yeah, that's per kit, each kit covers ~200 sqf at 1". It wouldn't be unexpected to need 2 or 3 kits to cover a single crawlspace attic.
1" - HAHA, so it's $770 for 57 square feet in reality.
I've also watched it being done (online) - it's an art, like spray painting cars... it takes a good amount of practice to not over spray the amount needed and end up with a ton of waste... in the attic, if it overflows, not that big of deal, but in walls, you don't want to waste a bunch that you're cutting off and discarding.
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
That's it? We need to replace the insulation in our attic. Might have to do it ourselves if the DIY spray foam is that cheap now.
Yeah, that's per kit, each kit covers ~200 sqf at 1". It wouldn't be unexpected to need 2 or 3 kits to cover a single crawlspace attic.
1" - HAHA, so it's $770 for 57 square feet in reality.
I've also watched it being done (online) - it's an art, like spray painting cars... it takes a good amount of practice to not over spray the amount needed and end up with a ton of waste... in the attic, if it overflows, not that big of deal, but in walls, you don't want to waste a bunch that you're cutting off and discarding.
Yeah, this is of course true. But if you are a DIY'er it could be done.
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Frankly, I bet you spend as much or more doing it yourself compared to hiring it out when you consider the lack of knowledge/practice...
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
1" - HAHA, so it's $770 for 57 square feet in reality.
umm wut?
You don't make it thicker than that in general.
You can go to 2", but this product is not designed to be the only insulation.
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@JaredBusch said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
1" - HAHA, so it's $770 for 57 square feet in reality.
umm wut?
You don't make it thicker than that in general.
You can go to 2", but this product is not designed to be the only insulation.
I suppose there are other types.. what I saw was the foam filling the entire wall cavity.
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@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
Yeah it's not spray foam, but it is a 5 star energy rated home. We hit our spending limit due to all of the other upgrades so it wouldn't have been possible anyway.
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@wirestyle22 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender @Pete-S I've considered all of this. The reason I want an electrician to move the power outlet/ethernet is because it's an external wall and if I need to replace cables here and there (replacing the roku, tv, or other) I am worried I will rip up my insulation and a true conduit isn't to code in NJ. If I have him move the ethernet and power then there is no problem.
Nah that wouldn't be a real issue, just use a fish to feed the cable down, clean and simple.
@Pete-S said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@wirestyle22 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender @Pete-S I've considered all of this. The reason I want an electrician to move the power outlet/ethernet is because it's an external wall and if I need to replace cables here and there (replacing the roku, tv, or other) I am worried I will rip up my insulation and a true conduit isn't to code in NJ. If I have him move the ethernet and power then there is no problem.
I wouldn't do it. If you want something else on that wall down the line, the outlets will be in the way.
Have some nice cable management installed instead. You can have it painted as well.
That's ugly as all sin, and removing the cable after the fact and doing a drywall patch is stupidly simpl
With the cable molding option as well you'll need longer than the cables that are provided with the TV in almost every case.
Not a huge issue, just a headache. A drywall saw is ~$4 plus the power cable for maybe $15 for 25 feet.
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
The one thing I can say is I think this may actually be a blessing in disguise. After measuring I realized that it was very likely they would've put the outlet exactly where I wanted to mount the TV. It covers a reasonably big area directly in the center of the wall. I have an electrician coming to give me an estimate for my islands pendant light power and I'm going to ask him about it.
This is the one I think we are going with if anyone's interested: https://www.wayfair.com/lighting/pdp/mercer41-chingford-5-light-kitchen-island-linear-pendant-w001859257.html
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@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@travisdh1 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@coliver said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@DustinB3403 said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
@Dashrender said in Amazon Prime Day - Oct 2020:
I'm with Wire - it's definitely not a clean... I just installed a new power plug myself behind my TV... though not an outside wall, not that that should be that big of a deal...
Yeah, unless these walls are filled to the edge with spray foam, feeding a few power cables down isn't going to be an issue. With fiberglass you'd just push through the insulation in those specific paths and it still wouldn't be that big of a loss.
Yeah, It's a new building so I hope there is spray foam. But even then it might not be that difficult. Might just need a wire probe.
No one around here does spray foam by default.
It should be. But yeah I don't think it's the default where @wirestyle22 is either.
I wonder what the price difference is? I'm guessing it used to be huge, but perhaps today, not so much??
Now if you were renovating and doing this yourself you can pick up spray foam kits that cost ~$770 which while still pricey, would save money compared to fiberglass.
That's it? We need to replace the insulation in our attic. Might have to do it ourselves if the DIY spray foam is that cheap now.
Yeah, that's per kit, each kit covers ~200 sqf at 1". It wouldn't be unexpected to need 2 or 3 kits to cover a single crawlspace attic.
1" - HAHA, so it's $770 for 57 square feet in reality.
I've also watched it being done (online) - it's an art, like spray painting cars... it takes a good amount of practice to not over spray the amount needed and end up with a ton of waste... in the attic, if it overflows, not that big of deal, but in walls, you don't want to waste a bunch that you're cutting off and discarding.
I purchased a 200ft kit, for like $350 I think, to do my rim joists in my crawl space. It's super easy. I believe once you're spending ~$1000 on materials (depending on local rates) it ends up being cheaper to hire somebody to do for you.
For closed cell foam you can only apply so thick in one pass before it's cured, so to get the R rating you would need for an attic in a colder climate zone, it would be insane to use a closed cell kit. Not only is it stupid expensive to do yourself, but waiting for curing between layers and crawling around in the attic multiple times in a poor mans hazmat suit? No thanks. Typically if you're doing foam in an attic they do a single layer of closed cell, then open cell on top.
When I did my attic I pumped in ~20" (R60) of loose fill fiberglass insulation for like $200... most home improvement stores lend you the machine for free if you buy enough bags, 10 bags in my case. I only used 6 bags and returned the rest with no questions asked. I will definitely go this route again on my next house.
