Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office
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@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@Dashrender said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Are you talking about the dream machine?
I sure hope not, that thing seems so dumb.
I can see the benefits for some people. It will also do IPS with full gig passthrough.
If I was running their cameras it would def be a plus to have the nvr and everything in the same rack unit.The speed is nice, but I sure don't want NVR or the controller in my router. It's crazy. It's like a cheesy consumer unit, in a rack form factor.
I guess I don't really see the downsides but that's fine.
Well, lacking the option of central management is huge. Who buys gear that large and is not just a single location, but designing around staying a single location? Someone, somewhere, but it's so niche.
Tons of businesses grow, sure, and they just install new camera systems at each location - perhaps that's not the best solution, but it's what they do. The pharmacy I recently assisted - new location, whole new onsite camera system, nothing centralized about it.
That's the DVR< that's the trivial part of this. I still think that that is bad, because you tie completely unnecessary things together in inflexible ways. But my point is that the controller being forced to one location is a huge problem. How do you manage multiple dream machines?
Their cloud offering. As far as I know, it still works with their cloud interface.
I don't think so. That's why we've avoided it at all costs. It says all over the place "cannot be joined to a controller."
You can attach it to your cloud account. From what I've seen that's currently the only way to do it. It's not a single interface, but I think they're working on that if I remember right.
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@Dashrender said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Also, nothing saying you have to use THAT controller, just setup a vultr instance if you want.
Everything I've seen says you absolutely have to use that controller, and only that controller.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
It has a built in cloud key. So it's just a normal controller. You'd manage it the same as any other.
No, it's like Windows Essentials. You can't manage it like enterprise AD where you have multiple in an environment. Each device has to be on its dedicated internal controller. No central management, no enterprise hosting, no cloud.
You're right, it's attached to your cloud account. You can manage it through there, but it's a different controller in each environment. I guess I counted that as single management point.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@Dashrender said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Are you talking about the dream machine?
I sure hope not, that thing seems so dumb.
I can see the benefits for some people. It will also do IPS with full gig passthrough.
If I was running their cameras it would def be a plus to have the nvr and everything in the same rack unit.The speed is nice, but I sure don't want NVR or the controller in my router. It's crazy. It's like a cheesy consumer unit, in a rack form factor.
I guess I don't really see the downsides but that's fine.
Well, lacking the option of central management is huge. Who buys gear that large and is not just a single location, but designing around staying a single location? Someone, somewhere, but it's so niche.
Tons of businesses grow, sure, and they just install new camera systems at each location - perhaps that's not the best solution, but it's what they do. The pharmacy I recently assisted - new location, whole new onsite camera system, nothing centralized about it.
That's the DVR< that's the trivial part of this. I still think that that is bad, because you tie completely unnecessary things together in inflexible ways. But my point is that the controller being forced to one location is a huge problem. How do you manage multiple dream machines?
Their cloud offering. As far as I know, it still works with their cloud interface.
I don't think so. That's why we've avoided it at all costs. It says all over the place "cannot be joined to a controller."
You can attach it to your cloud account. From what I've seen that's currently the only way to do it. It's not a single interface, but I think they're working on that if I remember right.
Oh, federated through an account, but not a central controller. Better than nothing but... really bad outside of a consumer or mom & pop size situation.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
It has a built in cloud key. So it's just a normal controller. You'd manage it the same as any other.
No, it's like Windows Essentials. You can't manage it like enterprise AD where you have multiple in an environment. Each device has to be on its dedicated internal controller. No central management, no enterprise hosting, no cloud.
You're right, it's attached to your cloud account. You can manage it through there, but it's a different controller in each environment. I guess I counted that as single management point.
Well it's more than I realized you could do. So it's better than nothing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@Dashrender said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Are you talking about the dream machine?
I sure hope not, that thing seems so dumb.
I can see the benefits for some people. It will also do IPS with full gig passthrough.
If I was running their cameras it would def be a plus to have the nvr and everything in the same rack unit.The speed is nice, but I sure don't want NVR or the controller in my router. It's crazy. It's like a cheesy consumer unit, in a rack form factor.
I guess I don't really see the downsides but that's fine.
Well, lacking the option of central management is huge. Who buys gear that large and is not just a single location, but designing around staying a single location? Someone, somewhere, but it's so niche.
Tons of businesses grow, sure, and they just install new camera systems at each location - perhaps that's not the best solution, but it's what they do. The pharmacy I recently assisted - new location, whole new onsite camera system, nothing centralized about it.
That's the DVR< that's the trivial part of this. I still think that that is bad, because you tie completely unnecessary things together in inflexible ways. But my point is that the controller being forced to one location is a huge problem. How do you manage multiple dream machines?
Their cloud offering. As far as I know, it still works with their cloud interface.
I don't think so. That's why we've avoided it at all costs. It says all over the place "cannot be joined to a controller."
You can attach it to your cloud account. From what I've seen that's currently the only way to do it. It's not a single interface, but I think they're working on that if I remember right.
Oh, federated through an account, but not a central controller. Better than nothing but... really bad outside of a consumer or mom & pop size situation.
I don't think it's marketed to anything more than that. Other than small shops that need WAN failover. I think it's still being developed a lot though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
They make a dedicated NVR server still, I thought. It's new.
Yeah but the NVR is $300. Then you still need the other networking stuff. So this makes it reasonable, everything for $380.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@Dashrender said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Are you talking about the dream machine?
I sure hope not, that thing seems so dumb.
I can see the benefits for some people. It will also do IPS with full gig passthrough.
If I was running their cameras it would def be a plus to have the nvr and everything in the same rack unit.The speed is nice, but I sure don't want NVR or the controller in my router. It's crazy. It's like a cheesy consumer unit, in a rack form factor.
I guess I don't really see the downsides but that's fine.
Well, lacking the option of central management is huge. Who buys gear that large and is not just a single location, but designing around staying a single location? Someone, somewhere, but it's so niche.
Tons of businesses grow, sure, and they just install new camera systems at each location - perhaps that's not the best solution, but it's what they do. The pharmacy I recently assisted - new location, whole new onsite camera system, nothing centralized about it.
That's the DVR< that's the trivial part of this. I still think that that is bad, because you tie completely unnecessary things together in inflexible ways. But my point is that the controller being forced to one location is a huge problem. How do you manage multiple dream machines?
Their cloud offering. As far as I know, it still works with their cloud interface.
I don't think so. That's why we've avoided it at all costs. It says all over the place "cannot be joined to a controller."
You can attach it to your cloud account. From what I've seen that's currently the only way to do it. It's not a single interface, but I think they're working on that if I remember right.
Oh, federated through an account, but not a central controller. Better than nothing but... really bad outside of a consumer or mom & pop size situation.
I don't think it's marketed to anything more than that. Other than small shops that need WAN failover. I think it's still being developed a lot though.
I'm not sure. But the lack of USG upgrades means that end users seem to be looking at it at times that aren't those times because if "feels" like it's meant to be the replacement.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
They make a dedicated NVR server still, I thought. It's new.
Yeah but the NVR is $300. Then you still need the other networking stuff. So this makes it reasonable, everything for $380.
It's for bigger shops, I get that. Just saying you CAN host it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
They make a dedicated NVR server still, I thought. It's new.
Yeah but the NVR is $300. Then you still need the other networking stuff. So this makes it reasonable, everything for $380.
It's for bigger shops, I get that. Just saying you CAN host it.
Oh yeah you can host it for free. It just lacks updates a lot. Like I said, it was Ubuntu 14.04 until this year.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
They make a dedicated NVR server still, I thought. It's new.
Yeah but the NVR is $300. Then you still need the other networking stuff. So this makes it reasonable, everything for $380.
It's for bigger shops, I get that. Just saying you CAN host it.
Oh yeah you can host it for free. It just lacks updates a lot. Like I said, it was Ubuntu 14.04 until this year.
I'm assuming this was because of Mongo? I have no idea though. Seems crazy to lag that far behind.
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@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@stacksofplates said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
@scottalanmiller said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
They make a dedicated NVR server still, I thought. It's new.
Yeah but the NVR is $300. Then you still need the other networking stuff. So this makes it reasonable, everything for $380.
It's for bigger shops, I get that. Just saying you CAN host it.
Oh yeah you can host it for free. It just lacks updates a lot. Like I said, it was Ubuntu 14.04 until this year.
I'm assuming this was because of Mongo? I have no idea though. Seems crazy to lag that far behind.
Easily, that thing causes so many upgrade problems.
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Do any of you have any experience with the Unifi APs in a warehouse environment? Don't know if it matters, but the detail I forgot to add is these will also be deployed in a 30k sq ft warehouse (might be bigger). I know the Ciscos we are using here are designed for "external" use with external antennas as well. I'm assuming the Ubiquity line has something similar?
Also, since someone mentioned NVRs earlier, instead of starting a new thread, I'm wondering what you all are using for camera systems. This new location is probably going to need 5-10 cameras. At HQ we use a Genetec system for CCTV/access control which is great and it would be nice to be able to tie that system into this new system, but that probably won't be possible due to bandwidth limitations so we'll probably have to put a local device at this new location.
Thanks for your help as always!
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@beta said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
Do any of you have any experience with the Unifi APs in a warehouse environment?
Yes
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@beta said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
I know the Ciscos we are using here are designed for "external" use with external antennas as well. I'm assuming the Ubiquity line has something similar?
Yes, for sure.
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@beta said in Router/firewall recommendations for small branch office:
I know the Ciscos we are using here are designed for "external" use with external antennas as well. I'm assuming the Ubiquity line has something similar?
I would never use them for the proposed scenario though. That is the wrong design.
Look at this:
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A lot of people will be dumping Ubnt NVR products (just the nvr side). Synology NAS just specifically for NVR is appearing to be the better offer for smb deployments up to 100 cameras.
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@krisleslie How is it better? It would take a lot for synology to be better than ubnt in my opinion. Not saying it isnt possibe, just asking the details is all.
