Job postings with no salary listed
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I never understood the whole asking salary is taboo thing. It's no secret that people consider that as a major factor when job searching.
I also never call people who sell cars or boats without a price. It generally ends up being a waste of time for both parties. I generally ask salary right up front even before the interview for the same reason.
If dealing with a recruiter, whether internal or external they always try to find your previous/current salary before revealing their range.
It's just really annoying.
Do you guys even apply for jobs without knowing the salary?
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@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
I never understood the whole asking salary is taboo thing. It's no secret that people consider that as a major factor when job searching.
I also never call people who sell cars or boats without a price. It generally ends up being a waste of time for both parties. I generally ask salary right up front even before the interview for the same reason.
If dealing with a recruiter, whether internal or external they always try to find your previous/current salary before revealing their range.
It's just really annoying.
Do you guys even apply for jobs without knowing the salary?
When recruiters contact me via LinkedIn my first response is to asked about compensation.
I still end up applying for certain jobs without knowing the salary. -
@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
I never understood the whole asking salary is taboo thing.
that's an excuse. It's not taboo to anyone. That's something employers claim in the hopes that people won't call their bluffs.
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@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
It's no secret that people consider that as a major factor when job searching.
The biggest factor, by far.
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@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
Do you guys even apply for jobs without knowing the salary?
Nope, don't even have a discussion.
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This is the same reason I don't look at products that don't list their price. If you can't list your price, then you simply must be outside my price range, we don't live in Monaco, ya know.
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@black3dynamite said in Job postings with no salary listed:
@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
I never understood the whole asking salary is taboo thing. It's no secret that people consider that as a major factor when job searching.
I also never call people who sell cars or boats without a price. It generally ends up being a waste of time for both parties. I generally ask salary right up front even before the interview for the same reason.
If dealing with a recruiter, whether internal or external they always try to find your previous/current salary before revealing their range.
It's just really annoying.
Do you guys even apply for jobs without knowing the salary?
When recruiters contact me via LinkedIn my first response is to asked about compensation.
I still end up applying for certain jobs without knowing the salary.Yeah. I have done the same thing. I actually prefer to deal with recruiters for that reason.
The majority of positions do not openly list salary. You can sometimes find information on Glassdoor, but who knows how accurate it is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job postings with no salary listed:
@RandyBlevins said in Job postings with no salary listed:
I never understood the whole asking salary is taboo thing.
that's an excuse. It's not taboo to anyone. That's something employers claim in the hopes that people won't call their bluffs.
Discussing money generally is something of a taboo in the UK, but I understand it isn't in the US. I have some sympathy with firms not advertising salary if (and only if) it is because they are willing to look at a wide variety of experience and talent and will pay market rates depending on the candidate they offer the role to.
For example, let's say you want an experienced developer at $50k, but find an inexperienced one willing to work for $30k, and they are the stand-out candidate, you might prefer to employ the inexperienced one and train him up, with a view that he'll start on $30k but will eventually be paid $50k (or $60k). By advertising the role at $50k, the inexperienced candidate might not even apply.
Sure, you might advertise the role as "$30-50k depending on experience", but does that help? I can see that argument that says candidates know what they're worth, this is the job requirements, if you think you can make a difference then apply and if we agree we'll pay you what you're worth.
On the other hand, if you're on $50k then you're never going to take a job that pays $40k and you don't want everyone to waste their time just because money wasn't discussed early enough in the conversation.
But this is where a good external recruiter should be able to handle things.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Job postings with no salary listed:
For example, let's say you want an experienced developer at $50k, but find an inexperienced one willing to work for $30k, and they are the stand-out candidate, you might prefer to employ the inexperienced one and train him up, with a view that he'll start on $30k but will eventually be paid $50k (or $60k). By advertising the role at $50k, the inexperienced candidate might not even apply.
If you want someone that is less expensive and less experienced then post the correct role. $30k is terrible even for a junior, and $50k is way too low for anyone with experience. I know you can have luck with low pay roles for people trying to get their foot in the door, but if they are worth a shit they will just leave. If they aren't worth a shit then they will obviously stay and you are stuck with them.
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@IRJ said in Job postings with no salary listed:
@Carnival-Boy said in Job postings with no salary listed:
For example, let's say you want an experienced developer at $50k, but find an inexperienced one willing to work for $30k, and they are the stand-out candidate, you might prefer to employ the inexperienced one and train him up, with a view that he'll start on $30k but will eventually be paid $50k (or $60k). By advertising the role at $50k, the inexperienced candidate might not even apply.
If you want someone that is less expensive and less experienced then post the correct role. $30k is terrible even for a junior, and $50k is way too low for anyone with experience. I know you can have luck with low pay roles for people trying to get their foot in the door, but if they are worth a shit they will just leave. If they aren't worth a shit then they will obviously stay and you are stuck with them.
He is likely using the $ as shorthand for GBP.
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I wasn't, but don't focus on the actual amounts - they were just arbitrary figures. Although salaries in Europe are a lot lower than the US.
But my point was that a lot of employers are flexible and will make exceptions for good candidates, regardless of experience. Specifying a salary can cast the net too narrowly. Finding a good developer is hard over here, there aren't many available.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Job postings with no salary listed:
I wasn't, but don't focus on the actual amounts - they were just arbitrary figures. Although salaries in Europe are a lot lower than the US.
But my point was that a lot of employers are flexible and will make exceptions for good candidates, regardless of experience. Specifying a salary can cast the net too narrowly. Finding a good developer is hard over here, there aren't many available.
if you can't find a good dev - then you simply aren't offering enough money to get them to walk away from their current gig.
