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    Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?

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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch
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      Here is how I have Veeam setup.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch
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        In the Synology, I use the CloudSync app
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        • openitO
          openit @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller
          Is this how in general everyone do?

          Server -> Local/Onsite Backup (NAS/File Server/External HDD) -> Cloud/Tape/Offsite NAS Replication ?

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          • openitO
            openit @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

            @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

            At time of restore, it may take days, so not good RTO.

            But it's really for the purpose of dealing with full site loss, right? So it is what it is.

            The only really great alternative is figuring out how to not need 9GB of backups. Is that really all data that you need to back up to restore your business?

            So if it is taking longer, only option to optimize by compression of data, increasing bandwidth is only option. After doing all in hand, if it's RTO taking 10 Days, nothing to do, just need to settle down?

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            • openitO
              openit @IRJ
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              @IRJ said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

              What is the data? Is it basically just a dump from a file server?

              Yes, just files (PDF/Word/PPTs/Cad/Photoshop/etc.) on file server.

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              • openitO
                openit @JaredBusch
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                @JaredBusch said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                Synology can backup directly to cloud. I use B2 for this at clients.

                I don't use the free Veeam (Veeam Endpoiont) though, so no idea on the fine grain controls.

                1. Veeam backup to NAS
                  a. Full Backup (no synthetic fully) scheduled for Friday evening once per month.
                  b. Daily Incremental
                2. NAS automatically syncs to B2
                  a. Nightly incrementals go up in no time.
                  b. Monthly full goes up over the weekend

                Thanks for details

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                • openitO
                  openit @JaredBusch
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                  @JaredBusch said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                  In the Synology, I use the CloudSync app
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                  What and where do you have feature to protect data from Ransomware or restore from infection? (is it at BackBlaze B2?), what exactly it is and how it works? why it not affect with Ransomware, while all resources in local network are vulnerable to infection somehow (vulnerability/misconfig/bruteforce etc.)?

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @openit
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                    @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                    @IRJ said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                    What is the data? Is it basically just a dump from a file server?

                    Yes, just files (PDF/Word/PPTs/Cad/Photoshop/etc.) on file server.

                    Maybe for the file server, you could set up something like Azure File Sync since the file server seems to be the bulk of your data, unless I read that wrong.

                    Otherwise, you'll just need to treat this as disaster recovery. Tape works well also with Veeam. I set that up in an environment of about 30TB:

                    Servers/DASs --> Veeam DAS storage repos for onsite backups daily (multi-daily depending on data) --> Tape (stored off-site, iron mountain type of place), 3 monthly rotations, offering 4 months of recovery depending on when a disaster were to strike.

                    You could also, if using Hyper-V and Windows Admin Center, easily throw a replica in Azure to spin up if needed to avoid any real RTO, however, having something like Azure File Sync could work better.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @openit
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                      @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                      What and where do you have feature to protect data from Ransomware or restore from infection?

                      That is the point of your local NAS as a backup target.

                      If that is crypto'd sorry, but you are beyond help because of how insecure you set things up.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @openit
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                        @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                        What and where do you have feature to protect data from Ransomware or restore from infection? (is it at BackBlaze B2?), what exactly it is and how it works? why it not affect with Ransomware, while all resources in local network are vulnerable to infection somehow (vulnerability/misconfig/bruteforce etc.)?

                        All backup mechanisms protect that. In your example, it's Veeam backing up to the NAS. Backups are natively ransomware breaks. If your backup doesn't protect from ransomware, it's not technically a backup.

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                        • openitO
                          openit @JaredBusch
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                          @JaredBusch said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                          @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                          What and where do you have feature to protect data from Ransomware or restore from infection?

                          That is the point of your local NAS as a backup target.

                          If that is crypto'd sorry, but you are beyond help because of how insecure you set things up.

                          Obviously I have to do all things in hand to protect anything at local backup at first, in my case, following are things involved and these are how I configured, advise for anything wrong or needed more:

                          1. Veeam on Windows server - the NAS (Synology) Shared folder credentials are only on Veeam Software to push the backups, not in Credential manager. And these NAS Share only accessible to this Veeam.

                          2. Updating Synology Firmware all the time

                          3. Disabled default Admin account and created new.

                          4. Only me with Read access with different account has access on NAS Shared folder to test the backups from time to time by restoring.

                          5. Very importantly, Snapshots are enabled on Synology for this Shared folder.

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                          • openitO
                            openit @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                            @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                            What and where do you have feature to protect data from Ransomware or restore from infection? (is it at BackBlaze B2?), what exactly it is and how it works? why it not affect with Ransomware, while all resources in local network are vulnerable to infection somehow (vulnerability/misconfig/bruteforce etc.)?

                            All backup mechanisms protect that. In your example, it's Veeam backing up to the NAS. Backups are natively ransomware breaks. If your backup doesn't protect from ransomware, it's not technically a backup.

                            Other than above 5 points, what are other things to do to remain Technically Backup 🙂

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                            • openitO
                              openit
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                              @scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                              If you people are around 🙂

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @openit
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                                @openit said in Factors to consider while choosing or planning for cloud backup solution?:

                                @scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                                If you people are around 🙂

                                A bit busy 🙂 Actual work and stuff 😉

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