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    • black3dynamiteB
      black3dynamite @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

      @black3dynamite What if you have massive containers though?

      I don't know since I don't use a lot of containers.

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      • stacksofplatesS
        stacksofplates @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

        @black3dynamite What if you have massive containers though?

        Who has that? What's a use case for massive containers?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
          last edited by

          @stacksofplates said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @black3dynamite What if you have massive containers though?

          Who has that? What's a use case for massive containers?

          We do, for example. Not often, but when we need storage, containers are still better than a full VM if you don't need the extra overhead.

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          • warren.stanleyW
            warren.stanley
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            After adjusting the updates to the pve-no-subscription repo and updating (full-upgrade), I had an issue where no templates for Containers were available on the host, to "Download" (under pve -> local (pve) -> "Content" -> "Templates").

            Apparently the list of available templates is updated daily through the "pve-daily-update timer".

            I triggered and update manually (cause i'm impatient) via:

            root@pve:~# pveam update
            

            ...you can then check the list via:

            root@pve:~# pveam available
            

            And then I had templates to use under pve -> local (pve) -> "Content" -> "Templates".

            Just spinning up a Debian 10 CT and VM now.

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            • mroth911M
              mroth911
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              PROXMOX with LIZARD FS? ANYONE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED IT.

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              • stacksofplatesS
                stacksofplates @mroth911
                last edited by stacksofplates

                @mroth911 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                PROXMOX with LIZARD FS? ANYONE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED IT.

                I have not (but haven't tried). It doesn't appear to be a supported thing from ProxMox. They don't reference it anywhere, only LizardFS does. It's all CLI driven it looks like. Doesn't look like you get any GUI control like with Ceph.

                LizardFS mentions in their documentation that they run the chunk server on the ProxMox nodes in functional testing, developemnt, and "some private setups" using LXC containers as the chunk server. So it doesn't sound like it's a recommended thing to do. I'm not sure in the other setup whether they have the chunk servers as completely separate physical machines or if it's a VM with QoS for the disks or something else. Not much out there on it.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  We've been deploying more and more Proxmox and so far, knock on wood, we are remaining happy.

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                  • CloudKnightC
                    CloudKnight
                    last edited by

                    I'm quite happy with it as well, I've deployed a couple of production servers using proxmox and all good so far as well

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                      We've been deploying more and more Proxmox and so far, knock on wood, we are remaining happy.

                      Are you deploying multi-node setups or just single nodes?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @coliver
                        last edited by

                        @coliver said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                        We've been deploying more and more Proxmox and so far, knock on wood, we are remaining happy.

                        Are you deploying multi-node setups or just single nodes?

                        Single node. It's a rare customer that would need more than one node.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @coliver said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          We've been deploying more and more Proxmox and so far, knock on wood, we are remaining happy.

                          Are you deploying multi-node setups or just single nodes?

                          Single node. It's a rare customer that would need more than one node.

                          Got it.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @black3dynamite
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                            @black3dynamite said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                            To get rid of the no subscription message pop up
                            5c7671bd-a9e1-482a-ad22-830513c43fe7-image.png

                            https://johnscs.com/remove-proxmox51-subscription-notice/

                            sed -i.bak "s/data.status !== 'Active'/false/g" /usr/share/javascript/proxmox-widget-toolkit/proxmoxlib.js && systemctl restart pveproxy.service
                            

                            Clear your browser cache.

                            Just did this today, still working. TYVM

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                            • black3dynamiteB
                              black3dynamite @travisdh1
                              last edited by

                              @travisdh1 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              @black3dynamite said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              To get rid of the no subscription message pop up
                              5c7671bd-a9e1-482a-ad22-830513c43fe7-image.png

                              https://johnscs.com/remove-proxmox51-subscription-notice/

                              sed -i.bak "s/data.status !== 'Active'/false/g" /usr/share/javascript/proxmox-widget-toolkit/proxmoxlib.js && systemctl restart pveproxy.service
                              

                              Clear your browser cache.

                              Just did this today, still working. TYVM

                              This will make the changes after an update/upgrade.
                              https://github.com/foundObjects/pve-nag-buster

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                                biggen @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by biggen

                                @scottalanmiller What’s your storage configuration like?

                                I’ve been playing with it on ZFS Raid 1 mirror. Proxmox OS and VMs all on same mirror. Performance is “OK”. Not as good as MD with same setup though.

                                Wonder if it’s better to create separate Raid 1 ZFS pools. One for the Proxmox OS and one for the VMs.

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                                  VoIP_n00b @biggen
                                  last edited by

                                  @biggen said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                  @scottalanmiller What’s your storage configuration like?

                                  I’ve been playing with it on ZFS Raid 1 mirror. Proxmox OS and VMs all on same mirror. Performance is “OK”. Not as good as MD with same setup though.

                                  Wonder if it’s better to create separate Raid 1 ZFS pools. One for the Proxmox OS and one for the VMs.

                                  Did you configure ZFS correctly? https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/ZFS_on_Linux#_limit_zfs_memory_usage What drives are you using?

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                                    biggen @VoIP_n00b
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                                    @VoIP_n00b Its a lab for testing so no Enterprise drives. Just a pair of Samsung 970 Pros.

                                    Box only has 32GB of RAM so that would mean that ZFS on Proxmox would be using at most 16GB of RAM for the ARC by default. Seems like ZFS needs a ton of RAM.

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                                      VoIP_n00b @biggen
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                                      @biggen said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                      Seems like ZFS needs a ton of RAM.

                                      You have to configure it 😉

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                                        biggen @VoIP_n00b
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                                        @VoIP_n00b I'll read over your link. I admit I haven't messed with it a ton. Kinda assumed it would work "out of the box" but looks like I need to tinker.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @biggen
                                          last edited by

                                          @biggen said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                          @scottalanmiller What’s your storage configuration like?

                                          I’ve been playing with it on ZFS Raid 1 mirror. Proxmox OS and VMs all on same mirror. Performance is “OK”. Not as good as MD with same setup though.

                                          Wonder if it’s better to create separate Raid 1 ZFS pools. One for the Proxmox OS and one for the VMs.

                                          We don't use ZFS - slow and we don't want its features (few actually do.) LVM is what we use. What is making you want to look at ZFS? It's not meant for speed and has little generally purpose these days. It's not bad, but mostly it's deployed by accident when people aren't sure what it is. Then people swear by "features" that everything has thinking they are unique to ZFS.

                                          ZFS is a great system, with niche applicability.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @biggen
                                            last edited by

                                            @biggen said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                            Box only has 32GB of RAM so that would mean that ZFS on Proxmox would be using at most 16GB of RAM for the ARC by default. Seems like ZFS needs a ton of RAM.

                                            ZFS can use a lot of RAM, but has no actual requirement for it. And it's important to recognize that ZFS is three products under one name, using it as your filesystem is very different from using it as your RAID, which is very different from using it as your LVM. Each component has different capabilities and caveats and all are separate, just like they always are.

                                            Most people intend to use ZFS in a way that would have to use a lot of RAM. But nothing forces you to do that.

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