Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?
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@scottalanmiller said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
@dbeato said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
Even still Microsoft doesn't honor that and puts a button of "Restart me now" in WIndows. However this can be alleviated if the user actually reboot their computers on a consistent basis, maybe just setup a task scheduler with reboot every night or something like that to avoid this.
Yeah, for reliable Windows use....
- Reboot at end of day.
- Leave on overnight.
- Keep up to date as much as possible.
Yep, this is a perfect list!
People's unwillingness to reboot nightly is one of the main issues.
To help with this, MS does try to save the state of any programs running at reboot, and put you back there after you login next.
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@Dashrender said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
> To help with this, MS does try to save the state of any programs running at reboot, and put you back there after you login next.
Which doesn't always work.
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@StuartJordan said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
@Dashrender said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
> To help with this, MS does try to save the state of any programs running at reboot, and put you back there after you login next.
Which doesn't always work.
Oh - you're absolutely right, in fact I'd say it fails more than it works.
It's really up to the the user to save their shit and be prepared for shutdown.
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Frankly - I don't see this as a Windows problem, I see this more as a user problem. Users will never update/never reboot if given the option.
All systems need updates, User systems need updates as fast as anything else, avoiding them is just inviting more damage to company data.
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I disagree, it is a windows problem, I've always managed to update my machines with previous versions of windows without as much hassle as it is now.
I agree windows does need updating and personally wouldn't advise anyone turning off updates but Microsoft have got worse with how they push updates out. and why should I have to reboot my machine every night, my machine could be doing critical work during the night.
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@StuartJordan said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
I disagree, it is a windows problem, I've always managed to update my machines with previous versions of windows without as much hassle as it is now.
I agree windows does need updating and personally wouldn't advise anyone turning off updates but Microsoft have got worse with how they push updates out. and why should I have to reboot my machine every night, my machine could be doing critical work during the night.
I would expect this to be no different on Linux, especially for an end user device.
Why is your workstation doing a critical process - why haven't you pushed that off to a server?
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@Dashrender have you not used a Linux Distro? security updates are pretty much pushed through without having to reboot.
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If you do need to reboot for a kernel update you can do it when you want to, it's not pushed so harsh and not bombarded with notifications every 10 minutes.
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@StuartJordan said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
@Dashrender have you not used a Linux Distro? security updates are pretty much pushed through without having to reboot.
This is true more often than not - but is it still true on a desktop OS versus those that have no GUI? But on top of that, the the applications themselves still need to be updated, and I'm guessing that they need to be shut down to update fully... so that's not far off.
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@StuartJordan said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
If you do need to reboot for a kernel update you can do it when you want to, it's not pushed so harsh and not bombarded with notifications every 10 minutes.
Neither is windows, at least not in my experience. You are given something like 3 days with the notice in the start bar before it really starts pressuring you to do it.
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Don't get my taking the other side to be a defense of Windows either, Windows is utterly a mess.
But fixes are coming more rapidly today than in the past, Zero Days are seeming to be found more frequently, etc. The need to patch ASAP is higher then ever.
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I am exaggerating the time a bit, just find the update system a lot worse then how they pushed updates in the past.
Look how much the feature updates have been messing everyone up as well, I have had it with 1809 had to do a full clean reinstall. Microsoft changing to windows as a service is where the problems all started. It was a complete change of direction they took. -
@StuartJordan said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
I am exaggerating the time a bit, just find the update system a lot worse then how they pushed updates in the past.
Look how much the feature updates have been messing everyone up as well, I have had it with 1809 had to do a full clean reinstall. Microsoft changing to windows as a service is where the problems all started. It was a complete change of direction they took.They haven't changed much really - as a service - what does that even mean?
They have changed to give you free upgrades for the life of the hardware, that's the only change I know of. So sure, you get a new kernel twice a year now instead of only at SP or new version time (and Scott would point out each of the feature updates basically is a new version - one I wonder if the kernel actually changed going from 1903 to 1909? - and that also begs, Doesn't Linux based OSes change kernels too? I didn't think OSes changed just because the kernel changed - or do I completely not understand something? - which of course JB will likely say I never understand anything
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@Dashrender said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
But fixes are coming more rapidly today than in the past, Zero Days are seeming to be found more frequently, etc. The need to patch ASAP is higher then ever.
They are, but not the fix for needing to reboot for every little thing
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@Dashrender said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
They haven't changed much really - as a service - what does that even mean?
I agree, there is nothing like that going on here. Windows is being offered just like any other OS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
@Dashrender said in Software to complete Disable/Enable Windows updates on Windows 10?:
But fixes are coming more rapidly today than in the past, Zero Days are seeming to be found more frequently, etc. The need to patch ASAP is higher then ever.
They are, but not the fix for needing to reboot for every little thing
True, that's MS's whatever you want to call it for doing their big rollups, instead of smaller non rebooting patches.
