Why Google Considers Thunderbird to Be Less Secure
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Considering Google just named the two biggest email clients on the market, what do they expect people to do instead? Just use the web interface?
Of course, that's been the best model for email handling for over a decade now. Using email clients is a bit archaic for most purposes. Zimbra made that happen long ago. It was around 2004 or 2005 when eWeek declared that the web interface had surpassed Outlook!
From a business perspective?
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It wasn't until Gmail that I felt a web interface for the consumer was worth while.
But I love OWA so much that I'm paying for an O365 business account just to have it.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
Considering Google just named the two biggest email clients on the market, what do they expect people to do instead? Just use the web interface?
Of course, that's been the best model for email handling for over a decade now. Using email clients is a bit archaic for most purposes. Zimbra made that happen long ago. It was around 2004 or 2005 when eWeek declared that the web interface had surpassed Outlook!
From a business perspective?
Yes. Outlook was never used for anything else. Too expensive.
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@Dashrender said:
It wasn't until Gmail that I felt a web interface for the consumer was worth while.
But I love OWA so much that I'm paying for an O365 business account just to have it.
I still don't feel that GMail is usable. It's nowhere near Zimbra or Rackspace many years ago. It's horrible. Only major, bad web interface for email that I've seen in a very long time.
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OWA today still isn't better, maybe on par, with Zimbra from 2008 or so.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
It wasn't until Gmail that I felt a web interface for the consumer was worth while.
But I love OWA so much that I'm paying for an O365 business account just to have it.
I still don't feel that GMail is usable. It's nowhere near Zimbra or Rackspace many years ago. It's horrible. Only major, bad web interface for email that I've seen in a very long time.
The default is horrible. Add your own theme and it works really well!
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I don't use gmail regularly either.
What makes Zimbra so cool? and outside of you, here and that other site, I've never heard of Zimbra.
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Zimbra is and has been the number two enterprise email system since the early 2000s. It was the first really enterprise email player to come in to take on Exchange. Zimbra offers pretty much all of the same features as Exchange and is completely open source. It is a single client interface GUI and management system for many best of breed open source projects like Postfix, SpamAssassin, Cyrus and countless more.
Zimbra also built their own widgets toolkit for JavaScript to help enable the early development of AJAXian interfaces. This was what allowed them to leapfrog everyone else early on. They were eventually acquired by Yahoo. Then by VMware. Now they are separate again. But they have quite the legacy.
Nearly two decades of being the enterprise Exchange alternative. And everyone that I know that uses them loves them. Really great system.
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I love Zimbra, would have picked it if we had gone with an in house option instead of Office365. The interface is fantastic and the administration is just as powerful as Exchange (at least in my opinion). What it doesn't have is the same adoption rates as Exchange and I have no idea why... anyone running in house exchange should really look at and consider Zimbra.
I really enjoy the Gmail interface, it is so much better then OWA in almost every regard.
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@Dashrender said:
I don't use gmail regularly either.
What makes Zimbra so cool? and outside of you, here and that other site, I've never heard of Zimbra.
Really? Zimbra is huge! I don't have a ton of experience with it but I have some...
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@coliver said:
I really enjoy the Gmail interface, it is so much better then OWA in almost every regard.
Really - why?
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
I really enjoy the Gmail interface, it is so much better then OWA in almost every regard.
Really - why?
Much of this is subjective, some people enjoy the aspects of Gmail some don't. I should have said for me the Gmail interface is much better then OWA in almost every regard.
Labels for one are significantly easier to use, for me, then the folder structure of OWA. I like being able to apply different labels to mail and have that mail appear if I search or go to either of those individual labels. This goes a long way to making mail easier to use and manage that I don't have with OWA (Outlook has these options though).
Mail rules are, to me, more powerful, when used appropriately and in conjunction with labels, I can have things in my inbox that are labeled with X number of things, and then when I archive it I can find it almost instantly.
Searching is amazing in Gmail, I can find what I'm looking for with a couple of stings and qualifiers that I would spend a ton of time looking for otherwise. Again this is great if you use the two previous points in conjunction.
Honestly the interface, look and style in both Gmail and OWA is garbage, I just can more easily navigate and use the Gmail interface.
All of this is qualified with a for me simply because that is how I use the system.
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Yes, both are bad. OWA at least acts like normal email and how people normally think of email. I find Gmail to be convoluted and so slow to deal with.
Zimbra and Rackspace have the best interfaces that I have seen. Clean, simple, intuitive and fast.
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I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
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@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
I think the idea is to get rid of email. though a great replacement isn't really here. A mashup of email and chat and OneNote would be awesome - I think O365 is kinda there, but as you all mention Lync just doesn't work well...
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
I think the idea is to get rid of email. though a great replacement isn't really here. A mashup of email and chat and OneNote would be awesome - I think O365 is kinda there, but as you all mention Lync just doesn't work well...
I really like how Google Hangouts has melded my Chat, Phones, and SMS messages into one application. It is really nice to be in the gmail interface and answer a call, or ask a quick question via chat and respond to an email. Really provides that nice single pane o' glass thing vendors are always talking about.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
I think the idea is to get rid of email. though a great replacement isn't really here. A mashup of email and chat and OneNote would be awesome - I think O365 is kinda there, but as you all mention Lync just doesn't work well...
I really like how Google Hangouts has melded my Chat, Phones, and SMS messages into one application. It is really nice to be in the gmail interface and answer a call, or ask a quick question via chat and respond to an email. Really provides that nice single pane o' glass thing vendors are always talking about.
Totally agree with this! I use Hangouts as my SMS app and have started doing more and more via my Google Voice account as it allows me to text via Hangouts from my PC or phone from the same number in the same conversations.
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@thanksaj said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
I think the idea is to get rid of email. though a great replacement isn't really here. A mashup of email and chat and OneNote would be awesome - I think O365 is kinda there, but as you all mention Lync just doesn't work well...
I really like how Google Hangouts has melded my Chat, Phones, and SMS messages into one application. It is really nice to be in the gmail interface and answer a call, or ask a quick question via chat and respond to an email. Really provides that nice single pane o' glass thing vendors are always talking about.
Totally agree with this! I use Hangouts as my SMS app and have started doing more and more via my Google Voice account as it allows me to text via Hangouts from my PC or phone from the same number in the same conversations.
Especially now that they've added MMS support through hangouts.
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@coliver said:
@thanksaj said:
@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I think gmail is trying to change the way people interact with email - and frankly that's probably a good thing.
They've always tried that and I think that it is very bad. It's all about unmanaged sprawl. It works for some use cases, but not general email.
I think the idea is to get rid of email. though a great replacement isn't really here. A mashup of email and chat and OneNote would be awesome - I think O365 is kinda there, but as you all mention Lync just doesn't work well...
I really like how Google Hangouts has melded my Chat, Phones, and SMS messages into one application. It is really nice to be in the gmail interface and answer a call, or ask a quick question via chat and respond to an email. Really provides that nice single pane o' glass thing vendors are always talking about.
Totally agree with this! I use Hangouts as my SMS app and have started doing more and more via my Google Voice account as it allows me to text via Hangouts from my PC or phone from the same number in the same conversations.
Especially now that they've added MMS support through hangouts.
Yup.
