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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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      @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

      @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

      @Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

      Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?

      Yes, client / server means all IO is going over the network. It's the most inefficient possible app design. Imagine using QuickBooks with your app on your desktop, but the database FILE over SMB hosted by AWS across the country. It would be so slow that you'd forget what you typed in by the time that it actually stored the data and displayed it again.

      Blah, looks like you're stuck then 😢

      Pretty much. It's not that bad, just need a good backup before we do the straight copy that we will do the V2V from. We have enough space there now to do the backup (twice if needed, maybe more) and gobs of space on its way there (8TB additional for working space during the transition... total backup is just 400GB.)

      So this is just the fail safe backup. We will have a full copy of the offlined disk image before we do anything destructive as well. The hope is that we simply rebuild the host and V2V back to Hyper-V and all will be well.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

          @scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?

          Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

            @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

            @scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?

            Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.

            So to ask, why do they require a desktop on their hypervisor? You probably answered this on that other topic but I didn't see it.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

              @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

              @DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

              @scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?

              Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.

              So to ask, why do they require a desktop on their hypervisor? You probably answered this on that other topic but I didn't see it.

              MSP's toolset. It requires Windows GUI to work (rolls eyes.)

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                Duplicati is about halfway through the backup at this point.

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                • travisdh1T
                  travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                  Duplicati is about halfway through the backup at this point.

                  That's a good sign. An even better one is if you can restore files once it's done.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    48GB left to back up.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      @pchiodo should be landing at the customer site in about an hour.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        35GB left to go.

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                        • nadnerBN
                          nadnerB
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                          I would suggest the following but you’re mostly done:

                          • macrium reflect
                          • shadow protect
                          • acronis true image
                            They might use VSS, I’m not 100% sure

                          Left field alternative create a VHDX file using the MS tools.

                          Hope your current tool does it right the first time

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @nadnerB
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                            @nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                            create a VHDX file using the MS tool

                            That's right... Their Disk2VHD tools has a checkbox for VSS you can uncheck.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              So after all of this work.... their backup media corrupted and completed died tonight. Backup lost.

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                              • nadnerBN
                                nadnerB @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                So after all of this work.... their backup media corrupted and completed died tonight. Backup lost.

                                Well that blows chunks.
                                How did you lot end up sorting it/get around it?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @nadnerB
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                                  @nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                  How did you lot end up sorting it/get around it?

                                  We didn't. The good backup was lost. We did another with Altaro only to find out that they trick you and don't allow restores unless you have a working Windows server to restore on, they actually detect that you are on Hyper-V and/or Windows client and block you from restoring! Worst backup company EVER.

                                  So right now, status is screwed until we figure something out.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Let me tell you .... I've never been so disgusted by any backup vendor, ever.

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                                    • nadnerBN
                                      nadnerB
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                                      Well that sucks.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @nadnerB
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                                        @nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                        Well that sucks.

                                        Yeah, trying a P2V now that we can test in the morning.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Ended up using https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/disk2vhd

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                                          • ObsolesceO
                                            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:

                                            Ended up using https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/disk2vhd

                                            Unchecking the use VSS checkbox I assume? Did it finish successfully and were you able to mount it afterwards and restore a test file from it?

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