One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Yeah... on prem server here. It's a vet clinic with 1990s client/server applications and no fast WAN as it is a remote village in rural Canada.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast
Is there an AWS region for Saskatchewan?
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
ESXi is overprovisioned. The server is not. Server has plenty of power. It was set up by a VMware sales guy, not an IT guy, and he screwed them probably to sell more services later.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
That's for scott to explain, the point is the problem is the over provisioning of said host. I assume by slimming down a few of the VMs
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
Don't need to restore all the same stuff. Their former setup was three VMs, two of them just to sell unneeded software and services. Once we rebuild, the drives will be set up correctly and only one VM restored. The entire rebuild is to fix the train wreck of a system.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...
If they use off-prem email, i can't imagine how a vet clinic would be crippled by using an app hosted in AWS. Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
That's for scott to explain, the point is the problem is the over provisioning of said host. I assume by slimming down a few of the VMs
Overprovisioning of ESXi in setup, not of the hardware.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...
If they use off-prem email, i can't imagine how a vet clinic would be crippled by using an app hosted in AWS. Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?
You've never used a classic client / server app where every call has to go over the Internet? Nothing like email. Even going from GigE to 100Mb/s Ethernet is enough to make the app noticeably problematic. Adding even 1ms of latency would make it almost impossible to use.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast
Is there an AWS region for Saskatchewan?
Oregon or Montreal. I would guess Oregon is closer
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...
If they use off-prem email, i can't imagine how a vet clinic would be crippled by using an app hosted in AWS. Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?
You've never used a classic client / server app where every call has to go over the Internet? Nothing like email. Even going from GigE to 100Mb/s Ethernet is enough to make the app noticeably problematic. Adding even 1ms of latency would make it almost impossible to use.
This, so much this.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
Don't need to restore all the same stuff. Their former setup was three VMs, two of them just to sell unneeded software and services. Once we rebuild, the drives will be set up correctly and only one VM restored. The entire rebuild is to fix the train wreck of a system.
So are you only backing up the data and the OS doesn't matter or are you wanting to be able to restore the entire guest?
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?
Yes, client / server means all IO is going over the network. It's the most inefficient possible app design. Imagine using QuickBooks with your app on your desktop, but the database FILE over SMB hosted by AWS across the country. It would be so slow that you'd forget what you typed in by the time that it actually stored the data and displayed it again.
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
Don't need to restore all the same stuff. Their former setup was three VMs, two of them just to sell unneeded software and services. Once we rebuild, the drives will be set up correctly and only one VM restored. The entire rebuild is to fix the train wreck of a system.
So are you only backing up the data and the OS doesn't matter or are you wanting to be able to restore the entire guest?
No good way to get the OS. Going to have to take our chances there. But the OS we have an install DVD for, so not the end of the world if it is lost.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast
Is there an AWS region for Saskatchewan?
Oregon or Montreal. I would guess Oregon is closer
Physically for sure, but as the wire runs, maybe not. No Toronto? That seems odd.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
Don't need to restore all the same stuff. Their former setup was three VMs, two of them just to sell unneeded software and services. Once we rebuild, the drives will be set up correctly and only one VM restored. The entire rebuild is to fix the train wreck of a system.
So are you only backing up the data and the OS doesn't matter or are you wanting to be able to restore the entire guest?
No good way to get the OS. Going to have to take our chances there. But the OS we have an install DVD for, so not the end of the world if it is lost.
Then I'd use rclone, they have a simple executable that can backup to anything you can throw at it. You can even use the guest as it's own server to point to B2, AWS, Google, a local drive or literally dozens of other cloud storage providers.
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This is what the rclone process looks like on windows
rclone.exe copy C:\ b2:\bucket-nameb2 could be a local USB drive as well, just need to add it using
rclone config
