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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @1337
      last edited by

      @Pete-S said in Handling Downvotes:

      By having both invisible all the potential drama is completely avoided.

      It doesn't. The downvotes will have the same drama. The issue won't be addressed.

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      • EddieJenningsE
        EddieJennings
        last edited by

        I have no problem with having both upvotes and downvotes visible. The couple of times I've been downvoted, I've wanted to know "why" -- especially if I've made a mistake somewhere. I can't ask the source if I don't know who the source is.

        I also have no problem with both being invisible, like Reddit.

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          1337 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Handling Downvotes:

          @Pete-S said in Handling Downvotes:

          By having both invisible all the potential drama is completely avoided.

          It doesn't. The downvotes will have the same drama. The issue won't be addressed.

          Remove downvotes all together then. If you have personal downvotes the drama will increase for sure. If you have problems now, it will become worse.

          The question is what the downvote actually means. Is it a thumbs down on you or a disagreement with what you said?

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          • J
            JasGot
            last edited by

            It doesn't matter so much to me. But, my preference would be for them both to be invisible, and add a "Kudos" count for users to get recognition for contributions.

            Also, I think the root of the problem is that the votes are not done for the right reasons.

            Upvotes should be representative of things like "I learned something new", or "That saved me a lot of time", etc, etc, and downvotes should be for things like, "I asked you to address the error in your post and you refused", or "your answer does not answer the original poster's question", etc, etc.

            Too many times, the votes are more representative of fleeting emotions or revenge. (In my opinion!)

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @brandon220
              last edited by

              @brandon220 said in Handling Downvotes:

              Public is fine. Always good to know who downvotes the carpet cleaning ads!

              Exactly - don't downvote - that's just a waste - simply report them.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @1337
                last edited by

                @Pete-S said in Handling Downvotes:

                @scottalanmiller said in Handling Downvotes:

                @Pete-S said in Handling Downvotes:

                By having both invisible all the potential drama is completely avoided.

                It doesn't. The downvotes will have the same drama. The issue won't be addressed.

                Remove downvotes all together then. If you have personal downvotes the drama will increase for sure. If you have problems now, it will become worse.

                The question is what the downvote actually means. Is it a thumbs down on you or a disagreement with what you said?

                Ultimately this is my wondering?

                Do people, IT people, actually pay attention to the number of up/down votes when reading these threads?

                I rarely upvote, let alone downvote something... perhaps I'm not helping ML as much as I could by not voting on every bloody thing 😛

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                • KellyK
                  Kelly
                  last edited by

                  Here is how I use votes in general:
                  Upvote = I agree or I see your post and acknowledge it, but it doesn't necessitate me typing a full post to reply
                  Downvote = I disagree with what you said, but I don't want to invest the time arguing with you (for a variety of reasons)

                  It might change how/when I use downvoting initially if it is public. I don't do it often, but anonymity makes it too easy. It probably would change how I use it because if it is public it would give the downvotee the visibility to challenge me for negatively responding without feedback. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said in Handling Downvotes:

                    Do people, IT people, actually pay attention to the number of up/down votes when reading these threads?

                    Some, for sure. When I see lots of upvotes I take more notice of a post. Just one, no. but like four or more.

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      I know admins can see who downvotes posts, including their own.

                      How has that effected the turnout of threads for those who have been able to see them all along?

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                      • travisdh1T
                        travisdh1 @Kelly
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                        @Kelly said in Handling Downvotes:

                        Here is how I use votes in general:
                        Upvote = I agree or I see your post and acknowledge it, but it doesn't necessitate me typing a full post to reply
                        Downvote = I disagree with what you said, but I don't want to invest the time arguing with you (for a variety of reasons)

                        It might change how/when I use downvoting initially if it is public. I don't do it often, but anonymity makes it too easy. It probably would change how I use it because if it is public it would give the downvotee the visibility to challenge me for negatively responding without feedback. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

                        I 2nd this.

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                        • popesterP
                          popester @travisdh1
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                          @travisdh1 said in Handling Downvotes:

                          @Kelly said in Handling Downvotes:

                          Here is how I use votes in general:
                          Upvote = I agree or I see your post and acknowledge it, but it doesn't necessitate me typing a full post to reply
                          Downvote = I disagree with what you said, but I don't want to invest the time arguing with you (for a variety of reasons)

                          It might change how/when I use downvoting initially if it is public. I don't do it often, but anonymity makes it too easy. It probably would change how I use it because if it is public it would give the downvotee the visibility to challenge me for negatively responding without feedback. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

                          I 2nd this.

                          I 3rd

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @popester
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                            @popester said in Handling Downvotes:

                            @travisdh1 said in Handling Downvotes:

                            @Kelly said in Handling Downvotes:

                            Here is how I use votes in general:
                            Upvote = I agree or I see your post and acknowledge it, but it doesn't necessitate me typing a full post to reply
                            Downvote = I disagree with what you said, but I don't want to invest the time arguing with you (for a variety of reasons)

                            It might change how/when I use downvoting initially if it is public. I don't do it often, but anonymity makes it too easy. It probably would change how I use it because if it is public it would give the downvotee the visibility to challenge me for negatively responding without feedback. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

                            I 2nd this.

                            I 3rd

                            And that's kinda the point of just upvoting a post. Removing the need for spam like us 😜

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                            • nadnerBN
                              nadnerB
                              last edited by

                              We can always turn it off again, so let's have a go with visible downvotes.
                              It will show if someone is on a targeted downvote crusade to lower reputation of one specific user... which we've had before.

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                              • dafyreD
                                dafyre @nadnerB
                                last edited by

                                @nadnerB said in Handling Downvotes:

                                We can always turn it off again, so let's have a go with visible downvotes.
                                It will show if someone is on a targeted downvote crusade to lower reputation of one specific user... which we've had before.

                                If it turns folks sour, then as @nadnerB said, we can turn it off again.

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                                • wirestyle22W
                                  wirestyle22 @nadnerB
                                  last edited by

                                  @nadnerB said in Handling Downvotes:

                                  We can always turn it off again, so let's have a go with visible downvotes.
                                  It will show if someone is on a targeted downvote crusade to lower reputation of one specific user... which we've had before.

                                  I don't see why it matters. Everyone is free to downvote me into oblivion. I could care less

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    Votes should be public now.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender
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                                      well, the picture isn't showing my cursor over the -1, but it was there... still not showing.

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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Handling Downvotes:

                                        Votes should be public now.

                                        Not working for me

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                                        • NDCN
                                          NDC
                                          last edited by NDC

                                          If you click the counter there's a popup with the breakdown.

                                          votes.png

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @NDC
                                            last edited by

                                            @NDC said in Handling Downvotes:

                                            If you click the counter there's a popup with the breakdown.

                                            votes.png

                                            oh - yeah, bad UI choice.

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