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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @WrCombs
      last edited by

      @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

      Learn linux - But with out the " "

      Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

      If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

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      • WrCombsW
        WrCombs @DustinB3403
        last edited by

        @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

        @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

        Learn linux - But with out the " "

        Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

        If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

        looking at Linux Administration.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @WrCombs
          last edited by

          @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

          looking at Linux Administration.

          A bit broad, but at least it's a start. Are you wanting to stand up Linux servers to be used as web hosts, cloud host, Hypervisors, something else?

          If so, most of this is a single command for a lot of it today.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @WrCombs
            last edited by

            @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

            @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

            @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

            Learn linux - But with out the " "

            Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

            If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

            looking at Linux Administration.

            Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

              @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

              @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

              @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

              Learn linux - But with out the " "

              Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

              If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

              looking at Linux Administration.

              Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

              Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.

              In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                Learn linux - But with out the " "

                Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                looking at Linux Administration.

                Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.

                In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.

                Meant to write CentOS 8.

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                • WrCombsW
                  WrCombs @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                  @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                  @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                  Learn linux - But with out the " "

                  Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                  If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                  looking at Linux Administration.

                  Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                  what is RHEL8??

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @WrCombs
                    last edited by

                    @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                    @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                    @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                    Learn linux - But with out the " "

                    Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                    If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                    looking at Linux Administration.

                    Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                    what is RHEL8??

                    He means CentOS 8 https://www.centos.org

                    RHEL is the "Business version" of CentOS

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                      @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                      @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                      @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                      Learn linux - But with out the " "

                      Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                      If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                      looking at Linux Administration.

                      Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                      Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.

                      In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.

                      RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                        Learn linux - But with out the " "

                        Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                        If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                        looking at Linux Administration.

                        Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                        Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.

                        In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.

                        RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.

                        Interesting, but is there really a value to using RHEL without support?

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                        • stacksofplatesS
                          stacksofplates @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                          Learn linux - But with out the " "

                          Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?

                          If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?

                          looking at Linux Administration.

                          Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.

                          Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.

                          In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.

                          RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.

                          You can get it for free through a dev account, but it's offered through CentOS as the free version unless you build it from source yourself.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            Yeah just found the link

                            https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/download

                            They do want a lot of details, but meh.

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                            • black3dynamiteB
                              black3dynamite
                              last edited by

                              Linux Distros ( Desktop/Laptop Use )
                              Each distro that I'm listing provides a Live images.

                              • Fedora
                                Fedora Workstation default desktop environment is GNOME and uses Wayland has the default display server with an option to use Xorg. If you want to install a different desktop environment and get the latest updates during installation, you will need to use the Netinstall image.

                              • Ubuntu

                              • Debian (Non-Free firmware)
                                Live
                                https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
                                Netinstall
                                https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/

                              • Linux Mint ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
                                Cinnamon is their pride and joy desktop environment
                                KDE
                                XFCE

                              • Elementary OS ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
                                Elementary OS design layout looks similar to MacOS.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @WrCombs
                                last edited by

                                @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                @IRJ said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                Stick to LTS versions (...hides)

                                what is LTS Versions vs. Bleeding Edge

                                That's not a comparison. They are saying Bleeding Edge in an attempt to discredit "Current Releases." Bleeding edge is something wholly different.

                                LTS: Long Term Support. These are OS releases that are selected (every major vendor does this... Windows, RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse, etc.) to get "support" for a really long time with a guarantee that the code versions won't change. It's a locked release that you can install and use and get "support" for a long time. I say "support" because it's not always what it sounds like. Ubuntu doesn't offer anything we'd call actual support for their LTS, it's all a marketing thing not a tech thing.

                                Current Release: This is the current product release from a vendor. Windows, RH, Ubuntu, Suse all offer these. Windows, RH, and Ubuntu all have a ~6 month release cycle for current. Suse alone uses a rolling release model. None of these imply anything like cutting or bleeding edge, those terms would denote a misunderstanding of what releases are. A current release can easily include software that is decades old, nothing about it implies a faster release of packages. And if it did, Ubuntu LTS is also "Current" every 18 months, so if bleeding edge is bad, then their LTS is also bad because they would overlap.

                                Current selections of both....

                                Windows:
                                LTS: Windows LTSB 1809
                                Current: 1903

                                Red Hat:
                                LTS: CentOS 8 / RHEL 8
                                Current: Fedora 30

                                Ubuntu:
                                LTS: 1804
                                Current: 1910

                                Suse:
                                LTS: OpenSuse Leap
                                Current: OpenSuse Tumbleweed

                                Actually 1909 has been released officially.

                                That's what I got on my new laptop.. weird.

                                why is that weird?

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                                • WrCombsW
                                  WrCombs @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  @IRJ said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                  Stick to LTS versions (...hides)

                                  what is LTS Versions vs. Bleeding Edge

                                  That's not a comparison. They are saying Bleeding Edge in an attempt to discredit "Current Releases." Bleeding edge is something wholly different.

                                  LTS: Long Term Support. These are OS releases that are selected (every major vendor does this... Windows, RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse, etc.) to get "support" for a really long time with a guarantee that the code versions won't change. It's a locked release that you can install and use and get "support" for a long time. I say "support" because it's not always what it sounds like. Ubuntu doesn't offer anything we'd call actual support for their LTS, it's all a marketing thing not a tech thing.

                                  Current Release: This is the current product release from a vendor. Windows, RH, Ubuntu, Suse all offer these. Windows, RH, and Ubuntu all have a ~6 month release cycle for current. Suse alone uses a rolling release model. None of these imply anything like cutting or bleeding edge, those terms would denote a misunderstanding of what releases are. A current release can easily include software that is decades old, nothing about it implies a faster release of packages. And if it did, Ubuntu LTS is also "Current" every 18 months, so if bleeding edge is bad, then their LTS is also bad because they would overlap.

                                  Current selections of both....

                                  Windows:
                                  LTS: Windows LTSB 1809
                                  Current: 1903

                                  Red Hat:
                                  LTS: CentOS 8 / RHEL 8
                                  Current: Fedora 30

                                  Ubuntu:
                                  LTS: 1804
                                  Current: 1910

                                  Suse:
                                  LTS: OpenSuse Leap
                                  Current: OpenSuse Tumbleweed

                                  Actually 1909 has been released officially.

                                  That's what I got on my new laptop.. weird.

                                  why is that weird?

                                  cause i was just about to say that also.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    Back to the OP.

                                    @WrCombs wants to things most likely...

                                    a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.

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                                    • WrCombsW
                                      WrCombs @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                      Back to the OP.

                                      @WrCombs wants to things most likely...

                                      a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.

                                      yes.
                                      I could even VM those, right? or no? - Forgive the newbness, but I'm thinking a Desktop and then run a VM Boxes with server OS's to do what @Dashrender is saying and thoughts on which ones to try.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @WrCombs
                                        last edited by

                                        @WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                        @Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                        Back to the OP.

                                        @WrCombs wants to things most likely...

                                        a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.

                                        yes.
                                        I could even VM those, right? or no? - Forgive the newbness, but I'm thinking a Desktop and then run a VM Boxes with server OS's to do what @Dashrender is saying and thoughts on which ones to try.

                                        Boxes is weird, but yes. Throw Fedora or Ubuntu onto a laptop or desktop, install KVM, and virtualize anything that you want. You get a fully functional, and gorgeous desktop environment, but can test any server OS or alternative desktop OS that you like.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
                                          last edited by

                                          @black3dynamite said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

                                          Linux Distros ( Desktop/Laptop Use )
                                          Each distro that I'm listing provides a Live images.

                                          • Fedora
                                            Fedora Workstation default desktop environment is GNOME and uses Wayland has the default display server with an option to use Xorg. If you want to install a different desktop environment and get the latest updates during installation, you will need to use the Netinstall image.

                                          • Ubuntu

                                          • Debian (Non-Free firmware)
                                            Live
                                            https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
                                            Netinstall
                                            https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/

                                          • Linux Mint ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
                                            Cinnamon is their pride and joy desktop environment
                                            KDE
                                            XFCE

                                          • Elementary OS ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
                                            Elementary OS design layout looks similar to MacOS.

                                          And Deepin, and Solus.

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                                          • dafyreD
                                            dafyre
                                            last edited by

                                            I saw a couple of mentions of Laptops... Ubuntu 19.10 supposedly ships with NVIDIA drivers that play nicely with the Intel+NVIDIA type graphics setups. I haven't tried this... yet... but I am definitely planning on it!

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