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    Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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      @JaredBusch said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

      Edit: And if you host it externally, then your ISP still sees your DNS.

      Good point. Hides it from one place, but exposes to another.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        PiHole can do DNS over HTTPS if you configure it (for its own lookups, not your lookups to it.)

        https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/dns-over-https/

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

          PiHole can do DNS over HTTPS if you configure it (for its own lookups, not your lookups to it.)

          https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/dns-over-https/

          Not a default setting in the GUI last tie I looked. /looks at link, yup not a default thing yet.

          Good to exist, but until it is native, adoption will be low.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            It's still a nascent tech.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce
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              Why not set this up to make all of your dns queries

              Screenshot_20191001-160203_Google Play Store.jpg

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                @Obsolesce how does that help when I do 99% of my lookups from a desktop?

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                  @Obsolesce if I did that, it would bypass my PiHole and put all kinds of crap back into my pages on my phone slowing it down. That would suck.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                    @Obsolesce if I did that, it would bypass my PiHole and put all kinds of crap back into my pages on my phone slowing it down. That would suck.

                    It is at least a simple DNS privacy option when you are not at home. But I found it mostly useless.

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                    • dbeatoD
                      dbeato @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                      @scottalanmiller Yeah the services depend on doubleclick etc, so if you have those blocked, then you're SOL for using those streaming services. I was kind of pissed about it. .

                      Yup, CBS does this as well.

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                      • PhlipElderP
                        PhlipElder @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                        @Obsolesce if I did that, it would bypass my PiHole and put all kinds of crap back into my pages on my phone slowing it down. That would suck.

                        All of our edge devices are set to block DNS queries from anywhere but the local DNS server. So, no avoiding it.

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                        • PhlipElderP
                          PhlipElder
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                          Ugh: https://support.umbrella.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001371526-Web-Browsers-and-DNS-over-HTTPS-default

                          Cisco/Umbrella/OpenDNS instructions to block DoH. 😛

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @PhlipElder
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                            @PhlipElder said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                            Cisco/Umbrella/OpenDNS instructions to block DoH.

                            Well it involves security and Cisco doesn't like security.

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                            • IRJI
                              IRJ
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                              So I am thinking this makes search engine data much more valuable when your ISP isnt able to sell your information as easily.

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                                JasGot @IRJ
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                                @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                Follow the money, right? Good catch!

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ @JasGot
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                                  @JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                  @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                  this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                  Follow the money, right? Good catch!

                                  Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @IRJ
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                                    @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                    @JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                    @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                    this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                    Follow the money, right? Good catch!

                                    Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google

                                    It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @IRJ
                                      last edited by

                                      @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                      So I am thinking this makes search engine data much more valuable when your ISP isnt able to sell your information as easily.

                                      Sensible.

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                                      • IRJI
                                        IRJ @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                        @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                        @JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                        @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                        this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                        Follow the money, right? Good catch!

                                        Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google

                                        It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.

                                        The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here 🏆

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                                        • black3dynamiteB
                                          black3dynamite @IRJ
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                                          @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                          @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                          @JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                          @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                          this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                          Follow the money, right? Good catch!

                                          Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google

                                          It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.

                                          The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here 🏆

                                          I still use Google but my default search engine is still duckduckgo. Big fan of their shortcuts.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                            @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                            @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                            @JasGot said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                            @IRJ said in Why big ISPs aren’t happy about Google’s plans for encrypted DNS:

                                            this makes search engine data much more valuable

                                            Follow the money, right? Good catch!

                                            Definitely a good thing overall, but as expected something is always in it for Google

                                            It's called money, yes Google is a for profit company. Get over it.

                                            The people that use duckduckgo are the true winners here 🏆

                                            People like me.

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