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    • brandon220B
      brandon220
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      I have a NC16 install that is replacing OneDrive. This is because of the way they were trying to use Onedrive (against TOS) and overall storage limits. They have O365 Business Premium. The client wants online editing, to avoid dealing with locks on files that multiple users edit, etc.

      In comes OnlyOffice / Collabora in Nextcloud. I know some users here went with OnlyOffice. Are these solutions viable and is OnlyOffice the recommended platform? There may be a way to utilize O356 but I can't see how to make it seamless.

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      • travisdh1T
        travisdh1 @brandon220
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        @brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

        I have a NC16 install that is replacing OneDrive. This is because of the way they were trying to use Onedrive (against TOS) and overall storage limits. They have O365 Business Premium. The client wants online editing, to avoid dealing with locks on files that multiple users edit, etc.

        In comes OnlyOffice / Collabora in Nextcloud. I know some users here went with OnlyOffice. Are these solutions viable and is OnlyOffice the recommended platform? There may be a way to utilize O356 but I can't see how to make it seamless.

        OnlyOffice is easier to get setup than Collabora. Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled. OnlyOffice has a Docker container that is built on Ubuntu (forces you to use the same version of Ubuntu.)

        Still haven't gotten either to work while behind my nginx reverse proxy 😞

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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          @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

          Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

          It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

            OnlyOffice has a Docker container that is built on Ubuntu (forces you to use the same version of Ubuntu.)

            Same as Collabora. When we tested them, the install and setup was all but identical.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              OnlyOffice really shines on going after editing MS Office format documents. Collabora is more focused on working with open document format. That's far from the only differences. Which desktop apps you use, which mobile apps you want to use, etc. It's a bigger question than just which NC integration to use. I think OnlyOffice is a bit more advanced here, CODE is pretty flaky still, but it works.

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

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                • brandon220B
                  brandon220
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                  I have never used Docker. I'd have to figure that out first.
                  This https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/document/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.255928712.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474 makes no mention of Docker but I'm assuming it is NOT the community edition.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @brandon220
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                    @brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                    I have never used Docker. I'd have to figure that out first.
                    This https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/document/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.255928712.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474 makes no mention of Docker but I'm assuming it is NOT the community edition.

                    Yeah, not only do you have to figure out the basics (easy), but you have to figure out how to modify it to work unless you have no proxy in front of your NextCloud setup (unlikely.) The default Docker setup doesn't work for a production style expected install. So you have to go into the Docker instance and manage it like a traditional container, breaking what is sold as the purpose of using something like Docker. You have to manage the networking.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                      Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                      It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                      Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                      No, makes it ridiculously harder.

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                      • brandon220B
                        brandon220 @scottalanmiller
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                        https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/community/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.97092124.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474
                        is for the Community Version and is definitely different than the link posted above. It too makes no mention of Docker. The Docker option is there but not what I would choose. To me, Docker would just add a layer of complexity and more things to break
                        Yes, I have Nginx in front of all NC installs.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @brandon220
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                          @brandon220 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                          https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/community/linux-installation-centos.aspx?_ga=2.97092124.2049076129.1559669474-423780045.1559669474
                          is for the Community Version and is definitely different than the link posted above. It too makes no mention of Docker. The Docker option is there but not what I would choose. To me, Docker would just add a layer of complexity and more things to break
                          Yes, I have Nginx in front of all NC installs.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                            Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                            It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                            Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                            No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                            Keep in mind that the somewhat easier is in comparison to compiling from source with all the proper compiler settings. To me it is easier, I know it's still a pain in the neck!

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                            • hellonadyaH
                              hellonadya @travisdh1
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                              @travisdh1 we can help you on GitHub https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/onlyoffice-nextcloud/issues

                              there are a lot of requests concerning reverse proxy. we promised to post the official instructions

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                              • hellonadyaH
                                hellonadya @brandon220
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                                @brandon220 this link is about Community Server installation. Community Server contains doc management, project management, CRM, Calendar, etc

                                Document Server (doc editors) + Community Server (collaboration platform) = Community Edition.

                                If you are planning to use ONLYOFFICE editors integrated with Nextcloud, you need Document Server only.

                                https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/linux/document/index.aspx

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                                • brandon220B
                                  brandon220 @hellonadya
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                                  @hellonadya I have it installed and running now. Working on connecting to NC.

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                                  • stacksofplatesS
                                    stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                    Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                                    It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                                    Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                                    No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                                    The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

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                                    • stacksofplatesS
                                      stacksofplates @stacksofplates
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                                      @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                      Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                                      It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                                      Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                                      No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                                      The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                                      I mean I ran this

                                      podman run -t -d --name collabora -p 9980:9980 -e "domain=test.com" -e "username=admin" -e "password=password" collabora/code
                                      

                                      and it's up and running. Either run it on your NextCloud host and point to localhost:9980 or just point to the host the container is running on.

                                      If you don't want to run Docker-Compose you can just use a systemd unit to start the process at boot with either straight Docker or Podman (or whatever container engine).

                                      The advantage to Podman is it's daemonless and unprivileged nature.

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                                      • travisdh1T
                                        travisdh1 @stacksofplates
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                                        @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                        Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                                        It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                                        Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                                        No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                                        The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                                        With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

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                                        • brandon220B
                                          brandon220 @stacksofplates
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                                          @stacksofplates Nextcloud 16 is will only allow you to use https to connect to OnlyOffice. Have not tried to install Collabora yet. I guess I'll be trying that next. I have zero Docker experience.

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                                          • stacksofplatesS
                                            stacksofplates @travisdh1
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                                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            @stacksofplates said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            @travisdh1 said in Onlyoffice vs Collabora in Nextcloud:

                                            Last time I looked at them, the Collabora open source version needed compiled.

                                            It's never needed that as long as I've known about it. It's a Docker instance, which is the real pain of it.

                                            Hrm, I'll have to take another look. Docker would make it somewhat easier.

                                            No, makes it ridiculously harder.

                                            The Collabora documentation is really straightforward on the container and looks very easy. What isn't "production" about the setup?

                                            With Docker, you have to be running the exact same version of OS and kernel that the devs who built the container. Docker specifically isn't portable like so many people claim.

                                            No you don't. That's not true at all.

                                            Yes you can create an app that uses a syscall that may be deprecated or uses a very new kernel hook that isn't available in older kernels. So you would be limited to kernels that support those, but it is in no way a requirement to have the exact same kernel and certainly not the exact same OS.

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