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    • travisdh1T
      travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

      This is FireEye's way of letting everyone know that this is not a serious security summit. This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you. Security is not something you want to have guided by those who have failed.

      I'd say it's FireEye letting everyone know that they are not a serious security company. Doesn't take someone in tech or security to know that she doesn't know about security at all.

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      • IRJI
        IRJ
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        Hmmm.... Fire eye has worked with HRC before during 2016 election.

        http://fortune.com/2016/08/18/clinton-foundation-fireeye-hack-investigation/

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          bnrstnr @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

          This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

          Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

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          • coliverC
            coliver @bnrstnr
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            @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

            @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

            This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

            Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

            Honestly it's a decent system. I'm not convinced it works very well but it covers the "Security Training" pieces of an audit. When we implemented it at my last job we did see a marked decrease in the number of people that clicked on spam/phishing links.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @bnrstnr
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              @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

              @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

              This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

              Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

              KnowBe4 is solid for the masses. Seriously a helpful product.

              I do agree about the entire failed hacker bit though. I am not a Mitnick fan. But KnowBe4 did it for the name to the masses.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                @JaredBusch said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                KnowBe4 is solid for the masses. Seriously a helpful product.

                I do agree about the entire failed hacker bit though. I am not a Mitnick fan. But KnowBe4 did it for the name to the masses.

                So the only hacker you can respect is one who never got caught? in which case you'd never likely hear about them - and definitely never see them on a stage - else they might be going to jail instead.

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                  @JaredBusch said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                  @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                  This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                  Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                  KnowBe4 is solid for the masses. Seriously a helpful product.

                  I do agree about the entire failed hacker bit though. I am not a Mitnick fan. But KnowBe4 did it for the name to the masses.

                  So the only hacker you can respect is one who never got caught? in which case you'd never likely hear about them - and definitely never see them on a stage - else they might be going to jail instead.

                  I didn't say that. But Mitnick is not someone I respect.

                  I used to know couple people that I suspected were real blackhats, but I never found out for certain. Either way, what I did know about them gave me a very health respect for how much I do not know.

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                  • pchiodoP
                    pchiodo @JaredBusch
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                    @JaredBusch They hired Mitnik for his fame, limited as it is. Personally I think it was a bad decision. That said, their product is very good at teaching users not to do stupid things, and providing training compliance documentation. Beyond that, not much.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                      @JaredBusch said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                      @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                      This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                      Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                      KnowBe4 is solid for the masses. Seriously a helpful product.

                      I do agree about the entire failed hacker bit though. I am not a Mitnick fan. But KnowBe4 did it for the name to the masses.

                      So the only hacker you can respect is one who never got caught? in which case you'd never likely hear about them - and definitely never see them on a stage - else they might be going to jail instead.

                      Exactly, conceptually having hackers represent anything is its own antithesis. It would be like seeing a "famous anonymous speaker." Can't happen. Hackers aren't someone you want speaking somewhere, ever. It's just illogical and is, essentially, really poor social engineering itself.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @bnrstnr
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                        @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                        This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                        Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                        They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

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                        • travisdh1T
                          travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                          @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                          This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                          Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                          They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

                          cough 🌶 cough

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @travisdh1
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                            @travisdh1 said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                            @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                            This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                            Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                            They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

                            cough 🌶 cough

                            That was the first time I heard him speak, really not impressive. A little bit on how to do social engineering, badly.

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                            • wirestyle22W
                              wirestyle22
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                              The title of this thread made me chuckle, so thanks for that

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                              • IRJI
                                IRJ
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                                Due to pressure they changed their keynote speaker

                                Screenshot_2019-10-18-21-38-37-249_org.indywidualni.fblite.png

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                                • CCWTechC
                                  CCWTech @IRJ
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                                  @IRJ said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                  Due to pressure they changed their keynote speaker

                                  Screenshot_2019-10-18-21-38-37-249_org.indywidualni.fblite.png

                                  Yeah good call... Damage control at this point. Wow, just WOW.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                    @IRJ Still .... never going to live that down. FireEye burned absolutely every last shred of respectability on this one.

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                                    • IRJI
                                      IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                      @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                      This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                                      Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                                      They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

                                      He is speaking at their conference this year

                                      https://www.knowbe4.com/kb4-con

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                        @IRJ said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                        @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                        This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                                        Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                                        They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

                                        He is speaking at their conference this year

                                        https://www.knowbe4.com/kb4-con

                                        Yeah, I realize it's just a marketing front. But it's impossible for me to think of them in any serious way because of it. They pander to the clueless masses, not to security or IT people. Bothers me, a lot.

                                        It's enough for me to really feel uncomfortable ever recommending KnowBe4.... if this is how they view themselves, why would I take them any differently?

                                        He's their "Chief Hacking Officer" now. WTF does that mean?

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                                        • IRJI
                                          IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                          @IRJ said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                          @bnrstnr said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                          This would be like having someone who failed at being a hacker, like Kevin Mitnick, speak at a conference or represent you.

                                          Shot at KnowBe4? People occasionally bring it up. It always seemed scammy to me.

                                          They use him in some things. but I've not seen them have him speak at a conference. KnowBe4 puts his face on things, but AFAIK, that's it. But I've been to a conference that actually presented him as if he was an "expert speaker", which tells you volumes about what they think of their audience.

                                          He is speaking at their conference this year

                                          https://www.knowbe4.com/kb4-con

                                          Yeah, I realize it's just a marketing front. But it's impossible for me to think of them in any serious way because of it. They pander to the clueless masses, not to security or IT people. Bothers me, a lot.

                                          It's enough for me to really feel uncomfortable ever recommending KnowBe4.... if this is how they view themselves, why would I take them any differently?

                                          He's their "Chief Hacking Officer" now. WTF does that mean?

                                          Their product is very solid, though. I have used it at my last 3 employers and it makes a noticeable difference for security training.

                                          I am not too excited about Mitnick, but the way I see it is he is just a spokesperson and not an innovator. His "celebrity" status makes him go off and do appearances more than anything else. I try to look at it more like he is a spokesman vs a mentor or innovator in the field.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @IRJ
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                                            @IRJ said in Hillary Rodham Clinton - Security Specialist:

                                            I am not too excited about Mitnick, but the way I see it is he is just a spokesperson and not an innovator. His "celebrity" status makes him go off and do appearances more than anything else. I try to look at it more like he is a spokesman vs a mentor or innovator in the field.

                                            Security is no place for a "celebrity" endorsement, especially when it is someone famous for being bad at security and getting busted and now famous for being a huge joke who is a pathetic loser. It makes KnowBe4 look terrible, and I would feel like it would reflect badly on me if I was associated with recommending them. It's insanely embarrassing.

                                            It's supposed to be a business service. Using someone whose a big loser as a joke to endorse sneakers or cereal can be funny or something. Doing it with what is supposed to be a security service makes me think the people involved are off of their rockers and/or they feel that they customers are total dipshits who are not turned off by that.

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